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We need a term for stuff like that. I nominate "pulling a Brandon" because "BS" is so common. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 02/01/2016 02:13:19 AM

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Another rubbish thing is that Vora's wand didn't have a buffer. It's actually retarded and not much more than for plot value. I have strong doubts that any sa'angreal would pass quality control without a buffer.

I agree that the fact the lack of buffer was not mentioned is a huge gaping plot hole. Egwene used it like a hundred times on screen, and she never thought about the risks? No one warned her?

But I don't think its implausible that there were extremely powerful sa'angreal made towards the end of the War that weren't perfect. We know the CK didn't have buffers, and it may be that other strong sa'angreal like Callandor and Vora's Wand also had this problem in the end.


Callandor lacked a part of a buffer that allowed the taint to be magnified. I suspected years ago that this meant that it was TP sa'angreal, but even Callandor is safer than Vora's wand.

No, Callandor has no Saidin buffer. That's why you need to be in a link with 2 women to use it safely.
Another point is that if Egwene matched Taim exactly then Vora's Wand is stronger than Sakarnen, which is also kind of strange considering the massive emphasis placed on even Callandor. It makes even less sense then that she couldn't shield him.

The shield thing makes no sense, agreed.

But the matching thing can work. So far as I know, sa'angreal let you draw a set amount, no matter your potential. It is conceivable Vora's Wand was made to match D'jet.


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*grabs Dewars* *NM* darius_sedai - 04/01/2016 08:24:05 PM 672 Views
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Where did I say someone who reads his posts are dumb or something? darius_sedai - 01/01/2016 05:15:30 PM 869 Views
Not directly gban007 - 01/01/2016 09:09:05 PM 949 Views
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We need a term for stuff like that. I nominate "pulling a Brandon" because "BS" is so common. Cannoli - 02/01/2016 02:13:19 AM 911 Views
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Re Perrin gban007 - 29/12/2015 07:24:41 AM 1034 Views
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