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Okay... Sidious Send a noteboard - 02/01/2016 04:50:24 AM


This started out with you nitpicking on my comment. I didn't even single Egwene out, I mentioned her with three other characters, and said more about the others than her. You drew it out, and opened up the argument, and then turned to making remarks about me, rather than the books or characters.

Well this is a board about WoT, so I don't see how it was nitpicking. I opened up a debate about Egwene because I thought your opinion on her was genuinely unfair. I offered evidence to back this up, and my follow up comments were all from the books. Other posters asked me why I am bothering with you because you clearly have notorious intransigence on the subject, and it's completely true. Both Fionwe and I have given you excellent evidence that your opinions in these posts can't be backed up by the series but you haven't conceded one point. I don't know why people think we're bullying you... I've been attacked by up to ten posters at a time. It's energy on the board that is very soon going to disappear forever.


You made comments about a person, whom you don't know and have never met, in defense of an imaginary person. There are proportionate responses, okay? For the most part I don't even care that you make these comments, as the pebble in London thing goes both ways, but this is stooping to some really low crap here. The thing is, it seems pretty dubious, since you just can't let stuff lie, and have to keep harping on people's projected reasons and mindsets.

Where? I've made about three posts in this whole chain and it's about the Egwene issue. When must I let it lie... why can't we argue about it?


At worst, I affect an extreme position about a fictional character. You're the one who keeps trying to make it about me and then claiming indifference. At best, you are roused by my injustice toward An Imaginary Person, to make negative or unfounded comments about me.

Yes your position is extreme, and I agree that it's harmless. However, if it's extreme then by definition you're biased and show a general trend of injustice when someone tries to show you something redeeming about her.


And then criticizing how I "talk" to other people, as if that has anything to do with your behavior.

Cannoli you are the rudest poster I've ever come across on this board, or on wotmania. You've only recently even become civil to other posters. I think it's a good point when rationalizing why others posters usually come at you so aggressively - I think we've all felt your venom over the years.


You were, in effect, calling us BOTH liars, by claiming the other guys were my alt IDs. That is intellectually dishonest and personally ruder than any swear words.

I did not claim that! I had nothing to do with that assertion. I was merely informing this Tyr person that you actually do have another login when he replied to Darius' assertion.


And this is what you do all the time. You chime in when someone disagrees with me, with comments about me. You extrapolate attitudes and behaviors you have no way of knowing or seriously inferring. You claim you want to talk about WoT, but you won't stick to the topic, and keep trying to make it personal.

Are you saying that I'm commenting where I'm not wanted? Because I thought that conversations that split off were completely acceptable. There are certain posters whom I like to interact with like you, Cannoli, DomA, Darius, Fionwe and Shannow. I think your appraisal of me is very unfair considering my posts above were purely and factually about Egwene. The other two berated me for trying - it makes complete sense that they wanted to challenge you too but they find it a waste of time. I definitely felt like I wasted my time.


And there is a big difference between calling someone stupid for a particular position or statement, and dismissing an argument because the person is "stupid" or "biased".

You are biased - you can't accept quotes that directly contradict your opinions. I don't think you're stupid at all - I find you very knowledgeable and intelligent, or I wouldn't engage with you.


You guys do stuff like this all the time. If a particular example is cited, you scoff at it as one little detail. If a general trend is noted, you claim it's exaggeration.

Forgive me but I think that's what you do. I've given evidence that I've posted moderate opinions about this character. Where is yours?


If multiple incidents are enumerated, you sneer at the poster for not having a life or engage in speculation about his personality as if it is a defect, and then you turn around and claim you love discussing WoT and having information or opinions on it.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you mean this chain of posts? Because if you think that Egwene killed herself to look good then I really do think that it's evidence of madness.


Except anyone else who also does is "crazy". And now you guys, after bringing the whole point up, are now falling all over yourselves to pretend indifference and innocence.

Well you're mashing us all together into a 'single poster' which isn't fair. I wrote to you about Egwene in two decent posts and agreed with Fionwe that you've become too stubborn to talk to. I apologize if that felt like a mortal wound.


This is a pattern of YOUR behavior. You are the common denominator in this sort of thing. I don't go around saying your contentions about Lanfear are illegitimate because you're incapable of rationally assessing her, or picking fights with you. But you keeping having arguments that involve outside stuff.

Erm, you've said much worse to many more people, but I'll let it rest. I'm not prepared to search through the archives and find all these numerous insults over about 15 years. I personally have been on the receiving end of exactly that sort of vitriol from you about Lanfear slash everyone. You've directly told me that I'm a power-hungry person in real life because I like the Forsaken and the OP.


Show me a misquote, and prove that something I've said that was not true was a lie. Do this, just once, instead of throwing accusations of serious misbehavior or claims of gross personality flaws from behind the safety of the internet.

Cannoli, for the love of god, go look at the original posts by me and Fionwe where we demonstrated that you distorted quotes! Fionwe went into even further detail about the raid on the Tower. Your recollection of the facts of those scenes is wrong. It's this sort of denial that is so frustrating.


You're the one who keeps bringing up popularity. You have on multiple occasions, cited an alleged fixation with popularity on my part, you have claimed I falsified responses to my own posts, apparently to present an image of popularity, and you always fall back on how everyone hates me as a final argument. Assuming that's a real thing. I've never noticed people hating on me in particular, aside from maybe you. Unless you want to show me some of that bad reception? Or maybe you're the one who "distorts, misquotes and even lies about" me?

Gosh I'm starting to think this is years of anger being released in my direction I never said you falsified responses to your own posts, not even once. I'm not going to go into the CMB posts and how people aggressively reply to your seemingly radical political/minority views... I just hate it when aggressors are pitied as victims on this board.

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