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Re: Still the Darkfriends. ViolentKai Send a noteboard - 04/10/2009 07:20:58 PM
3. Anyone that is a Darkfriend deserves all the pain they can get.


Which is what draws me to the first point that I made in the argument, which is that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. If you cause someone who has not been tried and convicted as a darkfriend to be severed and she is later tried justly and found innocent, you have now caused a lawfully innocent person to suffer a pain beyond knowing.


You are assuming that Randland has a criminal justice system comparable to the U.S. where it is based on trial by combat, only the combat is verbal. Your champion in this system is your lawyer. They fight for you, and the outcome of the "fight" determines whether you are guilty or not guilty of the crime.

This system does not determine innocence, however. That is a common misconseption. There is a difference between being Innocent and the verdict of Not Guilty. That verdict simply means that there is a reasonable doubt about whether or not the accused committed the crime. If there is a reasonable doubt, a verdict of Not Guilty must be returned. This does not mean that the accused is innocent. It just means that the system in place cannot punish the accused, because they are unable to prove that the crime was committed by the accused.

I have seen very little evidence that this system of criminal justice is in place in Randland. You can't assume that people in other cultures have the same customs and systems in place as you do. To do so is both arrogant and also rather rude.
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Still the Darkfriends. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 05:25:29 PM 2473 Views
ya this does work fistofpainx - 03/10/2009 06:32:22 PM 981 Views
Totally Agree. *NM* Darth_Katie - 03/10/2009 06:38:27 PM 518 Views
Makes sense, but... Etzel - 03/10/2009 07:04:27 PM 1161 Views
Nynaeve does. Egwene did it solo in tDR. Rand did 3 at once in LoC, but men don't seem to know how Cannoli - 03/10/2009 07:16:03 PM 1424 Views
Re: Nynaeve does. Egwene did it solo in tDR. Rand did 3 at once in LoC, but men don't seem to know h MissKoalaVB - 04/10/2009 12:55:55 AM 1648 Views
Is this the real stilling? Etzel - 04/10/2009 09:06:32 AM 1542 Views
It's real stilling Sidious - 04/10/2009 02:55:35 PM 1123 Views
Re: It's real stilling Fanatic-Templar - 04/10/2009 06:46:58 PM 1669 Views
Re: It's real stilling Sidious - 04/10/2009 06:53:52 PM 1144 Views
I think Egwene took longer because it was the first time. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/10/2009 07:20:26 PM 474 Views
Not in my opinion Sidious - 05/10/2009 05:00:30 AM 1395 Views
How does that respond to what I said? fionwe1987 - 05/10/2009 05:15:57 AM 966 Views
Re: How does that respond to what I said? Sidious - 05/10/2009 09:07:16 PM 1024 Views
Doesn't make sense.... fionwe1987 - 06/10/2009 12:20:21 AM 945 Views
Re: Doesn't make sense.... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:30:04 AM 1084 Views
I disagree. Fanatic-Templar - 04/10/2009 10:03:56 PM 1029 Views
Re: I disagree. Sidious - 05/10/2009 04:58:04 AM 1076 Views
Then... fionwe1987 - 05/10/2009 05:12:45 AM 993 Views
Re: Then... Sidious - 05/10/2009 09:09:04 PM 985 Views
Re: Then... fionwe1987 - 06/10/2009 12:25:22 AM 1088 Views
Re: Then... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:51:48 AM 995 Views
I'd like you to clear this up... Fanatic-Templar - 06/10/2009 02:18:01 AM 1071 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:50:33 AM 1234 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Fanatic-Templar - 07/10/2009 02:28:34 AM 1130 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Sidious - 07/10/2009 08:20:34 AM 1049 Views
Well, you may, but I remain unconvinced . Fanatic-Templar - 08/10/2009 12:22:31 AM 1167 Views
I think it's too risky Sidious - 03/10/2009 07:21:51 PM 1119 Views
Of course, they should still be guarded with restricted access. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 09:02:21 PM 1179 Views
Re: I think it's too risky DomA - 05/10/2009 04:51:17 AM 1025 Views
Sounds good, but the Aes Sedai aren't known for making the most logical decisions. Nice Post *NM* Blaine - 03/10/2009 07:47:36 PM 516 Views
oops i meant to put "aren't" but i accidently put are. It's edited now. Sorry for any confusion *NM* Blaine - 03/10/2009 10:26:50 PM 495 Views
I just thought you were being sarcastic at them *NM* Cannoli - 03/10/2009 10:49:55 PM 512 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Orlin_Artemi - 04/10/2009 04:51:58 AM 1263 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Great Lord of Chaos - 04/10/2009 02:06:51 PM 1088 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Orlin_Artemi - 04/10/2009 05:45:16 PM 1877 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. ViolentKai - 04/10/2009 07:20:58 PM 1105 Views
To Clarify... Orlin_Artemi - 05/10/2009 12:30:28 AM 1193 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Cannoli - 05/10/2009 02:54:40 PM 1751 Views
Remember Shadar Logoth Ryan - 04/10/2009 02:49:06 PM 980 Views
The only thing worse than ignoring morality for pragmatism is moralizing a non-moral issue Cannoli - 04/10/2009 09:36:43 PM 1155 Views
Re: Remember Shadar Logoth DomA - 05/10/2009 06:05:54 AM 1098 Views
From Rand's viewpoint Ben - 05/10/2009 01:10:18 PM 1797 Views
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