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Re: Still the Darkfriends. Great Lord of Chaos Send a noteboard - 04/10/2009 02:06:51 PM

Con’s

1. It violates at least one (if not more) ancient law(s) that has probably been in place since the Trolloc Wars, if not since the founding of the White Tower.
2. Most sisters (not just the Hall) consider very old laws to “contain an aura of holiness,” and “consider changing such laws to be unthinkable.” [Robert Jordan, A Crown of Swords, page 219]
3. The act is excruciatingly painful and would probably be considered cruel and unusual by the standards of the White Tower.
4. The severed party might suffer irreparable psychological damage.
5. There is insufficient information regarding the restoration process.
6. Alternative methods exist to prevent prisoners from channeling.
7. Alternative (albeit not very humane) methods exist to foreswear oaths.
8. Alternative methods are favorable because they do not put an “innocent” party at risk. Anyone can be put to the question after they are found guilty and severed.


Cons:

1 and 2: Conceded.

3. Anyone that is a Darkfriend deserves all the pain they can get.

4. In severed women, we have not seen psychological damage. Sure, they start screaming, and weeping, but I would say that's akin to watching several family members die right before your eyes.

5. Not really. We know that some Asha'man have restored women to their full strength. We know Nynaeve healed Logain to his full strength. And we know that Nynaeve healed Siuan and Leane to a bit of their strengths. Therefore, logically, we can see that a man can restore a woman, and a woman can restore a man, to their respective potentials.

6. Shielding, but shields can be broken.

7. If we had the Oath Rod, which is currently occupied. Elayne and Rand do not have the Oath rod.

8. Conceded.
Ὦ ξεῖν', ἀγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ὅτι τῇδε
κείμεθα, τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι.
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Still the Darkfriends. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 05:25:29 PM 2473 Views
ya this does work fistofpainx - 03/10/2009 06:32:22 PM 982 Views
Totally Agree. *NM* Darth_Katie - 03/10/2009 06:38:27 PM 518 Views
Makes sense, but... Etzel - 03/10/2009 07:04:27 PM 1161 Views
Nynaeve does. Egwene did it solo in tDR. Rand did 3 at once in LoC, but men don't seem to know how Cannoli - 03/10/2009 07:16:03 PM 1424 Views
Re: Nynaeve does. Egwene did it solo in tDR. Rand did 3 at once in LoC, but men don't seem to know h MissKoalaVB - 04/10/2009 12:55:55 AM 1648 Views
Is this the real stilling? Etzel - 04/10/2009 09:06:32 AM 1542 Views
It's real stilling Sidious - 04/10/2009 02:55:35 PM 1123 Views
Re: It's real stilling Fanatic-Templar - 04/10/2009 06:46:58 PM 1669 Views
Re: It's real stilling Sidious - 04/10/2009 06:53:52 PM 1144 Views
I think Egwene took longer because it was the first time. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/10/2009 07:20:26 PM 474 Views
Not in my opinion Sidious - 05/10/2009 05:00:30 AM 1395 Views
How does that respond to what I said? fionwe1987 - 05/10/2009 05:15:57 AM 967 Views
Re: How does that respond to what I said? Sidious - 05/10/2009 09:07:16 PM 1024 Views
Doesn't make sense.... fionwe1987 - 06/10/2009 12:20:21 AM 945 Views
Re: Doesn't make sense.... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:30:04 AM 1084 Views
I disagree. Fanatic-Templar - 04/10/2009 10:03:56 PM 1029 Views
Re: I disagree. Sidious - 05/10/2009 04:58:04 AM 1077 Views
Then... fionwe1987 - 05/10/2009 05:12:45 AM 993 Views
Re: Then... Sidious - 05/10/2009 09:09:04 PM 985 Views
Re: Then... fionwe1987 - 06/10/2009 12:25:22 AM 1088 Views
Re: Then... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:51:48 AM 995 Views
I'd like you to clear this up... Fanatic-Templar - 06/10/2009 02:18:01 AM 1071 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:50:33 AM 1234 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Fanatic-Templar - 07/10/2009 02:28:34 AM 1130 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Sidious - 07/10/2009 08:20:34 AM 1049 Views
Well, you may, but I remain unconvinced . Fanatic-Templar - 08/10/2009 12:22:31 AM 1167 Views
I think it's too risky Sidious - 03/10/2009 07:21:51 PM 1119 Views
Of course, they should still be guarded with restricted access. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 09:02:21 PM 1179 Views
Re: I think it's too risky DomA - 05/10/2009 04:51:17 AM 1025 Views
Sounds good, but the Aes Sedai aren't known for making the most logical decisions. Nice Post *NM* Blaine - 03/10/2009 07:47:36 PM 516 Views
oops i meant to put "aren't" but i accidently put are. It's edited now. Sorry for any confusion *NM* Blaine - 03/10/2009 10:26:50 PM 496 Views
I just thought you were being sarcastic at them *NM* Cannoli - 03/10/2009 10:49:55 PM 512 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Orlin_Artemi - 04/10/2009 04:51:58 AM 1264 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Great Lord of Chaos - 04/10/2009 02:06:51 PM 1089 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Orlin_Artemi - 04/10/2009 05:45:16 PM 1877 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. ViolentKai - 04/10/2009 07:20:58 PM 1105 Views
To Clarify... Orlin_Artemi - 05/10/2009 12:30:28 AM 1193 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Cannoli - 05/10/2009 02:54:40 PM 1751 Views
Remember Shadar Logoth Ryan - 04/10/2009 02:49:06 PM 980 Views
The only thing worse than ignoring morality for pragmatism is moralizing a non-moral issue Cannoli - 04/10/2009 09:36:43 PM 1155 Views
Re: Remember Shadar Logoth DomA - 05/10/2009 06:05:54 AM 1098 Views
From Rand's viewpoint Ben - 05/10/2009 01:10:18 PM 1797 Views
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