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Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM
I look at things a different way, forgetting the actual events that hurt the shadow.
Where would be be in the story now without her? If any of the others were missing things would be worse, but Rand aside she'd been the catalyst for everything, theres a vision Rand has where he is an old man fightin trolloc's in the two rivers, this is what would have happened without her.
Nynaeve ticks most boxes, but she never playes a major role in most of them, Moiraine and Lan where a two man army against the shadow for almost 20 years.
Moiraine and Lan were looking for Rand. How much Shadow-fighting were they really up to? In any event, there are all sorts of things that could have happened even if she never made it to the Two Rivers. Rand could still have hit all the important points without her intervention. A better question might have been, how would she have persuaded them to come with her if the Trollocs had never attacked? Nobody was all that sanguine about her waltzing off with the kids, and she had to persuade them to sneak away, and just about the whole village was in agreement that they had to be recovered from Moiraine's clutches. Without the aftermath of a Trolloc attack to clean up, they would not have been distracted enough to let her get away with the kids, and while the Finder coins might have made Mat & Perrin amenable, Rand was resistant and not all that thrilled with the idea of leaving. Mat would also have been a hard sell to go with an Aes Sedai.
Cannoli
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 1783 Views
Nyneave wins hands down - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 1032 Views
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Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow - 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM 942 Views
believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM* - 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM 433 Views
Actually, there might be a better reason for why it mattered. - 10/12/2009 07:03:32 PM 955 Views
Immaterial. - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 826 Views
It has to be Moiraine - 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM 1000 Views
Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM 1148 Views
So you think the story would have panned out - 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM 845 Views
None. *NM* - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 419 Views
That's highly subjective - 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM 917 Views
Re: That's highly subjective - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 842 Views
I think you know exactly what I mean. - 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 865 Views
All of them - 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM 954 Views
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They may have only been visions... - 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM 954 Views
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Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 1007 Views
That all goes without saying - 18/10/2009 07:26:06 PM 782 Views
I disagree - 18/10/2009 07:58:37 PM 925 Views
Re: I disagree - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 880 Views
It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM 875 Views
Does that mean he'd win? - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM 890 Views
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Not really what I was arguing. - 18/10/2009 05:30:05 PM 851 Views
Good points - 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM 946 Views
the BCS is not a good system *NM* - 18/10/2009 09:08:25 AM 429 Views
Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 1125 Views
Someone needs to re-adjust their meds - 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM 1024 Views
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That is true for most people if not all - 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM 903 Views
He's got a point though... - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 956 Views
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Damn skippy! *NM* - 21/10/2009 11:17:36 AM 411 Views
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Re: Ishamael/Moridin - 18/10/2009 09:21:29 AM 1067 Views
You make it sound very simple - 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM 974 Views
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