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IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM
Foretelling always happens. Always Just like with Min's visions. Sometimes there's an if/than statement (Min's definitely had those, I forget if Elaida has, it's been implied that Gitara did), but if something is Foretold to happen, it'll happen.


So, it makes this conversation kind of iffy. If Moiraine hadn't come, it stands to reason that Rand would have been declared in some other way. Or perhaps it is because of Moiraine's natural stubborness and drive that this was Foretold.

All those other realities couldn't have happened, for the very reason that Rand wasn't the proclaimed Dragon in them.



He could quite possibly have fullfiled many of the other scenarios.

Either way, the fortelling decided Moiranes "destiny" just because it could have been someone else doesn't mean she didn't do what she did.
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) RabidWombat - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 1818 Views
Nyneave wins hands down Isaac - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 1059 Views
Nyneave has done more fairfax - 17/10/2009 06:42:26 AM 998 Views
Nynaeve! Fantasy - 17/10/2009 04:12:00 PM 932 Views
I'd say Mat BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM 1009 Views
are you sure? NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM 1019 Views
Not to downplay Nynaeve BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM 996 Views
Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM 1209 Views
Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM 968 Views
believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM* NaClH2O - 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM 442 Views
Actually, there might be a better reason for why it mattered. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 07:03:32 PM 985 Views
Immaterial. NaClH2O - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 853 Views
It has to be Moiraine TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM 1026 Views
Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM 1171 Views
So you think the story would have panned out TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM 875 Views
None. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 429 Views
That's highly subjective ranagrande - 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM 946 Views
Re: That's highly subjective BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 872 Views
I think you know exactly what I mean. TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 890 Views
All of them ranagrande - 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM 982 Views
Those were only visions TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM 898 Views
They may have only been visions... ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM 979 Views
"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM 896 Views
Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" ranagrande - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 1026 Views
That all goes without saying TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 07:26:06 PM 814 Views
I disagree ranagrande - 18/10/2009 07:58:37 PM 952 Views
Re: I disagree TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 910 Views
It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold beetnemesis - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM 908 Views
Does that mean he'd win? TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM 916 Views
IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM 884 Views
Not really what I was arguing. TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:30:05 PM 878 Views
Good points RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM 977 Views
the BCS is not a good system *NM* ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:08:25 AM 439 Views
Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 1164 Views
Someone needs to re-adjust their meds RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM 1052 Views
I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM 899 Views
That is true for most people if not all RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM 929 Views
He's got a point though... Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 985 Views
"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101. TheCrownless - 21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM 860 Views
Damn skippy! *NM* Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:17:36 AM 420 Views
Ishamael/Moridin Sidious - 17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM 1199 Views
Good call TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM 980 Views
Not to mention I think he's more interested in self preservation at this moment Ryan - 18/10/2009 07:18:28 AM 836 Views
Re: Ishamael/Moridin ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:21:29 AM 1097 Views
lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM 411 Views
You make it sound very simple BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM 1005 Views
No - it is very simple Sidious - 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM 967 Views
Not necessarily- Digital_Eon - 19/10/2009 09:22:16 PM 948 Views
surely a draw meant resealing TheCrownless - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM 854 Views
I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM 1000 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:56:06 PM 1063 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 11:22:36 PM 1006 Views
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