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IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM
Foretelling always happens. Always Just like with Min's visions. Sometimes there's an if/than statement (Min's definitely had those, I forget if Elaida has, it's been implied that Gitara did), but if something is Foretold to happen, it'll happen.


So, it makes this conversation kind of iffy. If Moiraine hadn't come, it stands to reason that Rand would have been declared in some other way. Or perhaps it is because of Moiraine's natural stubborness and drive that this was Foretold.

All those other realities couldn't have happened, for the very reason that Rand wasn't the proclaimed Dragon in them.



He could quite possibly have fullfiled many of the other scenarios.

Either way, the fortelling decided Moiranes "destiny" just because it could have been someone else doesn't mean she didn't do what she did.
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) RabidWombat - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 1858 Views
Nyneave wins hands down Isaac - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 1098 Views
Nyneave has done more fairfax - 17/10/2009 06:42:26 AM 1038 Views
Nynaeve! Fantasy - 17/10/2009 04:12:00 PM 976 Views
I'd say Mat BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM 1044 Views
are you sure? NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM 1058 Views
Not to downplay Nynaeve BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM 1045 Views
Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM 1250 Views
Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM 1005 Views
believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM* NaClH2O - 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM 468 Views
Actually, there might be a better reason for why it mattered. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 07:03:32 PM 1021 Views
Immaterial. NaClH2O - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 893 Views
It has to be Moiraine TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM 1074 Views
Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM 1203 Views
So you think the story would have panned out TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM 915 Views
None. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 452 Views
That's highly subjective ranagrande - 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM 991 Views
Re: That's highly subjective BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 913 Views
I think you know exactly what I mean. TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 928 Views
All of them ranagrande - 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM 1026 Views
Those were only visions TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM 938 Views
They may have only been visions... ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM 1020 Views
"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM 933 Views
Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" ranagrande - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 1066 Views
That all goes without saying TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 07:26:06 PM 851 Views
I disagree ranagrande - 18/10/2009 07:58:37 PM 983 Views
Re: I disagree TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 953 Views
It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold beetnemesis - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM 956 Views
Does that mean he'd win? TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM 950 Views
IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM 922 Views
Not really what I was arguing. TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:30:05 PM 914 Views
Good points RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM 1010 Views
the BCS is not a good system *NM* ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:08:25 AM 462 Views
Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 1212 Views
Someone needs to re-adjust their meds RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM 1087 Views
I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM 941 Views
That is true for most people if not all RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM 969 Views
He's got a point though... Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 1026 Views
"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101. TheCrownless - 21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM 895 Views
Damn skippy! *NM* Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:17:36 AM 442 Views
Ishamael/Moridin Sidious - 17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM 1259 Views
Good call TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM 1012 Views
Not to mention I think he's more interested in self preservation at this moment Ryan - 18/10/2009 07:18:28 AM 875 Views
Re: Ishamael/Moridin ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:21:29 AM 1131 Views
lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM 435 Views
You make it sound very simple BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM 1047 Views
No - it is very simple Sidious - 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM 1002 Views
Not necessarily- Digital_Eon - 19/10/2009 09:22:16 PM 1000 Views
surely a draw meant resealing TheCrownless - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM 899 Views
I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM 1030 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:56:06 PM 1099 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 11:22:36 PM 1034 Views
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