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No - it is very simple Sidious Send a noteboard - 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM
As if Ishy could have just killed Rand and his two ta'veren pals in tEotW and it would be over, just like that. If that were the case, then I'd be really disappointed in the Dark One's ability to judge talent. He should have made Demandred Nae'blis/General of the Shadow. Rand and Co. wouldn't have lasted half a book if it were that easy, though.

I think it's been suggested before that, if Rand dies, the Pattern will just spit out others to take his place. That way, the only way the Shadow can hope to win is if they manipulate the Dragon into hurting his own side. That could explain the motivation to Turn him. Then again, couldn't they just have sent 13 AS and 13 Myrrdraal to the 2rivers (or a number of other places Rand travels to)?

Clearly, Moridin has a plan that requires Rand to survive till "the final day."


The only way the Light can win is if the Dragon survives. Therefore they need to kill him. Even if the Pattern could spit out a new Dragon, it would take at least 20 years for that man to gain the ability to channel, by which time the Shadow would have overrun the world and freed the Dark One. There is no indication in the series that the death of the Dragon Reborn would be anything other than catastrophic for the fate of the world.

Moridin's plan is transparent - it always has been.
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) RabidWombat - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 1913 Views
Nyneave wins hands down Isaac - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 1144 Views
Nyneave has done more fairfax - 17/10/2009 06:42:26 AM 1086 Views
Nynaeve! Fantasy - 17/10/2009 04:12:00 PM 1017 Views
I'd say Mat BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM 1076 Views
are you sure? NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM 1106 Views
Not to downplay Nynaeve BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM 1096 Views
Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM 1300 Views
Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM 1055 Views
believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM* NaClH2O - 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM 490 Views
Actually, there might be a better reason for why it mattered. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 07:03:32 PM 1059 Views
Immaterial. NaClH2O - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 940 Views
It has to be Moiraine TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM 1115 Views
Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM 1249 Views
So you think the story would have panned out TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM 962 Views
None. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 471 Views
That's highly subjective ranagrande - 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM 1035 Views
Re: That's highly subjective BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 951 Views
I think you know exactly what I mean. TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 974 Views
All of them ranagrande - 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM 1076 Views
Those were only visions TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM 982 Views
They may have only been visions... ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM 1055 Views
"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM 973 Views
Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" ranagrande - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 1109 Views
That all goes without saying TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 07:26:06 PM 891 Views
I disagree ranagrande - 18/10/2009 07:58:37 PM 1028 Views
Re: I disagree TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 999 Views
It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold beetnemesis - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM 1008 Views
Does that mean he'd win? TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM 993 Views
IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM 960 Views
Not really what I was arguing. TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:30:05 PM 959 Views
Good points RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM 1057 Views
the BCS is not a good system *NM* ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:08:25 AM 490 Views
Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 1250 Views
Someone needs to re-adjust their meds RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM 1135 Views
I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM 979 Views
That is true for most people if not all RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM 1021 Views
He's got a point though... Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 1066 Views
"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101. TheCrownless - 21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM 933 Views
Damn skippy! *NM* Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:17:36 AM 464 Views
Ishamael/Moridin Sidious - 17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM 1321 Views
Good call TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM 1051 Views
Not to mention I think he's more interested in self preservation at this moment Ryan - 18/10/2009 07:18:28 AM 917 Views
Re: Ishamael/Moridin ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:21:29 AM 1169 Views
lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM 460 Views
You make it sound very simple BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM 1089 Views
No - it is very simple Sidious - 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM 1044 Views
Not necessarily- Digital_Eon - 19/10/2009 09:22:16 PM 1043 Views
surely a draw meant resealing TheCrownless - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM 953 Views
I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM 1068 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:56:06 PM 1157 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 11:22:36 PM 1078 Views
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