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surely a draw meant resealing TheCrownless Send a noteboard - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM

The only way the Light can win is if the Dragon survives. Therefore they need to kill him. Even if the Pattern could spit out a new Dragon, it would take at least 20 years for that man to gain the ability to channel, by which time the Shadow would have overrun the world and freed the Dark One. There is no indication in the series that the death of the Dragon Reborn would be anything other than catastrophic for the fate of the world.

Moridin's plan is transparent - it always has been.


Didn't RJ say (I cannot remember the source at all - probably in a Tor Q&A, though, so I could be fairly wrong) that the Light doesn't always win - that a draw is possible, and has happened before? The Light might need the Dragon (Reborn) to win, but not having him doesn't mean they'll lose, either.

I always thought the only way for the Dark One to win was to have the Dragon/Reborn actually lose - if he's dead, things will just end up in a draw. That would explain Ishy's strange desire to keep Rand alive for most of the series, only deciding to kill him when it became clear that a draw (with the Dark having no chance of winning) would be better than a flat-out defeat.

Win - Dragon defeats the dark one for good
Lose - DO is free
Come to the dark side, We have candy!

I'm Israel, he's Palestine, its more fun when you pick sides.
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) RabidWombat - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 2014 Views
Nyneave wins hands down Isaac - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 1223 Views
Nyneave has done more fairfax - 17/10/2009 06:42:26 AM 1174 Views
Nynaeve! Fantasy - 17/10/2009 04:12:00 PM 1078 Views
I'd say Mat BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM 1137 Views
are you sure? NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM 1165 Views
Not to downplay Nynaeve BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM 1170 Views
Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM 1369 Views
Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM 1127 Views
believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM* NaClH2O - 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM 531 Views
Actually, there might be a better reason for why it mattered. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 07:03:32 PM 1125 Views
Immaterial. NaClH2O - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 1001 Views
It has to be Moiraine TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM 1187 Views
Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM 1323 Views
So you think the story would have panned out TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM 1026 Views
None. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 507 Views
That's highly subjective ranagrande - 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM 1130 Views
Re: That's highly subjective BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 1009 Views
I think you know exactly what I mean. TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 1036 Views
All of them ranagrande - 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM 1148 Views
Those were only visions TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM 1043 Views
They may have only been visions... ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM 1123 Views
"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM 1038 Views
Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" ranagrande - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 1183 Views
That all goes without saying TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 07:26:06 PM 958 Views
I disagree ranagrande - 18/10/2009 07:58:37 PM 1095 Views
Re: I disagree TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 1072 Views
It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold beetnemesis - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM 1090 Views
Does that mean he'd win? TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM 1053 Views
IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM 1032 Views
Not really what I was arguing. TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:30:05 PM 1039 Views
Good points RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM 1131 Views
the BCS is not a good system *NM* ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:08:25 AM 525 Views
Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 1324 Views
Someone needs to re-adjust their meds RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM 1198 Views
I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM 1041 Views
That is true for most people if not all RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM 1090 Views
He's got a point though... Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 1121 Views
"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101. TheCrownless - 21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM 1000 Views
Damn skippy! *NM* Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:17:36 AM 504 Views
Ishamael/Moridin Sidious - 17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM 1431 Views
Good call TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM 1116 Views
Not to mention I think he's more interested in self preservation at this moment Ryan - 18/10/2009 07:18:28 AM 983 Views
Re: Ishamael/Moridin ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:21:29 AM 1238 Views
lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM 500 Views
You make it sound very simple BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM 1165 Views
No - it is very simple Sidious - 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM 1115 Views
Not necessarily- Digital_Eon - 19/10/2009 09:22:16 PM 1126 Views
surely a draw meant resealing TheCrownless - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM 1032 Views
I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM 1138 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:56:06 PM 1237 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 11:22:36 PM 1177 Views
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