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And you aren't? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM
So you've conceded precisely ZERO points in this post, or any other in this thread. You find nothing redeeming about a single thing she's done that anyone can mention. Time to take a step back and see if you're rational, or just reaching levels of hatred for the character that you just can't see past.
I'll concede when I'm proven wrong. I can't help it if they don't mention anything good. If someone actually mentioned something good without going into the stratosphere with hyperbolic claims about the significance, I'd concede that. I actually approved of her efforts towards unity and eventual restraint in her second meeting with Elaida, but it was hardly heroic - it was simple passive-agressivism, and a classic tactic. Bait the other guy into crossing the line and go limp when he attacks. Smart, but hardly ingenious or heroic, and actualy self-serving (meaning that term in a non-judgmental way). Was picking a Red Keeper a bad move? No, but don't call it brilliant. It's Politics 101 - a manuever known as "Balancing the Ticket." I could not have named a better choice myself. But it is hardly the spectacular choice or feat you are blowing it into.

Take a look at yourself and ask if you are not being blinded by the outcome of the story and YOUR character preferences when writing your hagiographic lists of her "achievements."
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
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Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One. - 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM 2373 Views
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double post, hate my computer. - 30/10/2009 08:24:12 PM 759 Views
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might I add.. - 30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM 622 Views
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Like others don't have flaws? - 30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM 688 Views
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Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM 830 Views
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And you aren't? - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM 674 Views
Seems to me you're both right. - 01/11/2009 07:45:12 PM 637 Views
Bah - 30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM 746 Views
wait a sec... - 30/10/2009 04:31:56 PM 799 Views
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It wasn't absurd. Just clever... - 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM 724 Views
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Hmm..... - 06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM 595 Views
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Not a problem... - 08/11/2009 06:17:39 AM 663 Views
Are you blinded by a pair of teats? - 31/10/2009 07:17:44 AM 838 Views
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The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her - 31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM 608 Views
It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM 750 Views
*snort* *NM* - 31/10/2009 07:19:49 AM 408 Views
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I have one question - 01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM 698 Views
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Events do seem to suggest otherwise. *NM* - 31/10/2009 04:40:42 PM 417 Views
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Egwene's always been a hypocrite - 02/11/2009 02:06:58 PM 842 Views

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