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And you aren't? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM
So you've conceded precisely ZERO points in this post, or any other in this thread. You find nothing redeeming about a single thing she's done that anyone can mention. Time to take a step back and see if you're rational, or just reaching levels of hatred for the character that you just can't see past.
I'll concede when I'm proven wrong. I can't help it if they don't mention anything good. If someone actually mentioned something good without going into the stratosphere with hyperbolic claims about the significance, I'd concede that. I actually approved of her efforts towards unity and eventual restraint in her second meeting with Elaida, but it was hardly heroic - it was simple passive-agressivism, and a classic tactic. Bait the other guy into crossing the line and go limp when he attacks. Smart, but hardly ingenious or heroic, and actualy self-serving (meaning that term in a non-judgmental way). Was picking a Red Keeper a bad move? No, but don't call it brilliant. It's Politics 101 - a manuever known as "Balancing the Ticket." I could not have named a better choice myself. But it is hardly the spectacular choice or feat you are blowing it into.

Take a look at yourself and ask if you are not being blinded by the outcome of the story and YOUR character preferences when writing your hagiographic lists of her "achievements."
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
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Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One. - 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM 2590 Views
Life in unfair, just let Egwene have it already. - 30/10/2009 03:11:04 AM 974 Views
I skimmed cannoli's predictable rant. I disagree. I LOVED EVERY CHAPTER! - 30/10/2009 03:29:24 AM 951 Views
Agreed! *NM* - 30/10/2009 03:47:52 AM 567 Views
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I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 05:05:11 AM 959 Views
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Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 02:45:03 PM 1042 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 04:34:53 PM 896 Views
I think he meant Cannoli, not you, Seriana. *NM* - 30/10/2009 05:30:17 PM 490 Views
Ahhh. - 30/10/2009 09:15:14 PM 872 Views
Re: Ahhh. - 31/10/2009 03:51:14 AM 862 Views
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What on earth makes you think I dislike it? - 31/10/2009 05:25:07 AM 964 Views
General impression lately I guess. - 31/10/2009 04:38:29 PM 871 Views
Re: General impression lately I guess. - 31/10/2009 10:41:06 PM 899 Views
Thanks. - 01/11/2009 06:32:12 AM 983 Views
double post, hate my computer. - 30/10/2009 08:24:12 PM 969 Views
Don't agree completely but what I do want to see is - 30/10/2009 07:12:54 AM 847 Views
so I guess ... - 30/10/2009 02:48:10 PM 1073 Views
You want a friend like Mat - 30/10/2009 06:33:47 PM 865 Views
might I add.. - 30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM 816 Views
Re: might I add.. - 30/10/2009 10:41:39 AM 919 Views
Re: might I add.. - 30/10/2009 06:47:17 PM 926 Views
There is a difference between defending your home from attack - 31/10/2009 03:34:57 PM 847 Views
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Like others don't have flaws? - 30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM 908 Views
EVERYTHING is handed to her on a platter! - 30/10/2009 06:41:02 PM 949 Views
Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM 1039 Views
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Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:31:14 PM 1009 Views
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Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 31/10/2009 09:33:34 AM 913 Views
And you aren't? - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM 865 Views
Seems to me you're both right. - 01/11/2009 07:45:12 PM 858 Views
Bah - 30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM 939 Views
wait a sec... - 30/10/2009 04:31:56 PM 1020 Views
Now now! Let's take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute. - 30/10/2009 05:21:07 PM 841 Views
Re: Bah - 30/10/2009 06:49:47 PM 979 Views
Rant on! Rant on! - 30/10/2009 12:54:16 PM 825 Views
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A personal question: Cannoli, are you threatened by a powerful woman? - 30/10/2009 07:13:30 PM 963 Views
Obviously. - 31/10/2009 05:37:52 AM 837 Views
Well... - 31/10/2009 05:56:56 AM 784 Views
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It wasn't absurd. Just clever... - 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM 962 Views
I wasn't saying the rebels had no cause for rebellion. Just that the election *was* legal. - 01/11/2009 10:38:59 AM 963 Views
Hmm..... - 06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM 808 Views
I take it she'll carefully avoid bringing up the war vote, then. *NM* - 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM 382 Views
Not a problem... - 08/11/2009 06:17:39 AM 883 Views
Are you blinded by a pair of teats? - 31/10/2009 07:17:44 AM 1035 Views
Re: Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen - 30/10/2009 11:38:24 PM 968 Views
The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her - 31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM 817 Views
It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM 964 Views
*snort* *NM* - 31/10/2009 07:19:49 AM 490 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 31/10/2009 09:28:16 AM 936 Views
Don't expect rationality from Cannoli... - 31/10/2009 02:01:45 PM 1001 Views
Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM 979 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 04:30:21 AM 965 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 08:41:58 AM 947 Views
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Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 01/11/2009 12:31:10 AM 878 Views
I have one question - 01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM 916 Views
Capture, NOT kill, and she herself said the sa'angreal made that impossible. - 01/11/2009 07:59:44 AM 898 Views
Capture OR kill - 01/11/2009 09:12:08 AM 955 Views
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Events do seem to suggest otherwise. *NM* - 31/10/2009 04:40:42 PM 519 Views
I see Cannoll is still going strong about Egwene... - 01/11/2009 08:40:17 PM 904 Views
There were a few instances in the book where Egwene really bothered me. - 02/11/2009 12:54:10 AM 862 Views
Egwene's always been a hypocrite - 02/11/2009 02:06:58 PM 1039 Views

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