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And you aren't? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM
So you've conceded precisely ZERO points in this post, or any other in this thread. You find nothing redeeming about a single thing she's done that anyone can mention. Time to take a step back and see if you're rational, or just reaching levels of hatred for the character that you just can't see past.
I'll concede when I'm proven wrong. I can't help it if they don't mention anything good. If someone actually mentioned something good without going into the stratosphere with hyperbolic claims about the significance, I'd concede that. I actually approved of her efforts towards unity and eventual restraint in her second meeting with Elaida, but it was hardly heroic - it was simple passive-agressivism, and a classic tactic. Bait the other guy into crossing the line and go limp when he attacks. Smart, but hardly ingenious or heroic, and actualy self-serving (meaning that term in a non-judgmental way). Was picking a Red Keeper a bad move? No, but don't call it brilliant. It's Politics 101 - a manuever known as "Balancing the Ticket." I could not have named a better choice myself. But it is hardly the spectacular choice or feat you are blowing it into.

Take a look at yourself and ask if you are not being blinded by the outcome of the story and YOUR character preferences when writing your hagiographic lists of her "achievements."
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
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Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One. - 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM 2733 Views
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Agreed! *NM* - 30/10/2009 03:47:52 AM 629 Views
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Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 04:34:53 PM 1007 Views
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What on earth makes you think I dislike it? - 31/10/2009 05:25:07 AM 1075 Views
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Thanks. - 01/11/2009 06:32:12 AM 1112 Views
double post, hate my computer. - 30/10/2009 08:24:12 PM 1100 Views
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so I guess ... - 30/10/2009 02:48:10 PM 1212 Views
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might I add.. - 30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM 931 Views
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Re: might I add.. - 30/10/2009 06:47:17 PM 1027 Views
There is a difference between defending your home from attack - 31/10/2009 03:34:57 PM 950 Views
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Like others don't have flaws? - 30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM 1001 Views
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Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM 1188 Views
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Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 31/10/2009 09:33:34 AM 1026 Views
And you aren't? - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM 978 Views
Seems to me you're both right. - 01/11/2009 07:45:12 PM 995 Views
Bah - 30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM 1071 Views
wait a sec... - 30/10/2009 04:31:56 PM 1131 Views
Now now! Let's take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute. - 30/10/2009 05:21:07 PM 966 Views
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Obviously. - 31/10/2009 05:37:52 AM 959 Views
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It wasn't absurd. Just clever... - 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM 1076 Views
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Hmm..... - 06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM 915 Views
I take it she'll carefully avoid bringing up the war vote, then. *NM* - 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM 442 Views
Not a problem... - 08/11/2009 06:17:39 AM 990 Views
Are you blinded by a pair of teats? - 31/10/2009 07:17:44 AM 1136 Views
Re: Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen - 30/10/2009 11:38:24 PM 1089 Views
The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her - 31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM 937 Views
It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM 1086 Views
*snort* *NM* - 31/10/2009 07:19:49 AM 559 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 31/10/2009 09:28:16 AM 1050 Views
Don't expect rationality from Cannoli... - 31/10/2009 02:01:45 PM 1133 Views
Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM 1097 Views
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Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 01/11/2009 12:31:10 AM 998 Views
I have one question - 01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM 1030 Views
Capture, NOT kill, and she herself said the sa'angreal made that impossible. - 01/11/2009 07:59:44 AM 1036 Views
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Events do seem to suggest otherwise. *NM* - 31/10/2009 04:40:42 PM 576 Views
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Egwene's always been a hypocrite - 02/11/2009 02:06:58 PM 1154 Views

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