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But... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM
The thing is though; we have never seen a way to reverse this type of recruiting. Even though those people didn't choose that path, they are now loyal to the DO, probably more then most those who willing went over.


As Verin herself show us. There are doubtless many who joined for fear for their friends or made the decisions to regret it later. Sheriam for example seemed an unwilling supporter for the end of all things even if she had at one time joined them to get faster advancements in the Tower.

How does any of this prove that they don't deserve death? Can a man say, "My reason for murder was more benign than that guys. I did it because I was worried he's make my friend go out of business. He did it because he wanted power. So give me a lesser punishment"?

Unless there was blackmailing involved, where the person was asked to join or else face the death of family and friends, I don't see why there should be mercy. Even in this case, said person could have chosen to let someone in authority to know, just like Verin did. Slaughtering innocents in the name of protecting family doesn't merit mercy, IMO.
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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) Matrimony Cauthon - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2263 Views
Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured Lordling - 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM 980 Views
That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM 559 Views
Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM 528 Views
In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM* RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM 407 Views
Wrong and unreasonable. krassos - 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM 1019 Views
It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM* guttering flame - 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM 515 Views
"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" krassos - 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM 792 Views
Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM 949 Views
Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day. krassos - 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM 831 Views
When teenagers were physically punished in schools guttering flame - 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM 956 Views
Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight. krassos - 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM 767 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens guttering flame - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 959 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens Night Walker - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 901 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method guttering flame - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 1010 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 1025 Views
The point is guttering flame - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 758 Views
They were tried. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 374 Views
Mock trials guttering flame - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 859 Views
Proof? fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 798 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 859 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 870 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 958 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 995 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 889 Views
Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only. krassos - 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM 776 Views
Not true. Verin did in fact serve the DO. She admited as much darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:28:56 AM 801 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 386 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too Sidious - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 817 Views
Sad but true darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 782 Views
Based on those two actions... entyti - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 976 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? NaClH2O - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 885 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 406 Views
She did not target her own people... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 857 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 881 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 386 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 1170 Views
That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 912 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 864 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people NaClH2O - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2440 Views
Nothing wrong with that. Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 908 Views
She does have first hand experience TheCrownless - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 914 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... krassos - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 820 Views
Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) randfandom - 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM 879 Views
Neither is an atrocity... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 1096 Views
this ^ *NM* Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 343 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 890 Views
Bull Sh!t! fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 947 Views
Come on now... Rand al'Thor - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 867 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 856 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 761 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 795 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 851 Views
fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM 780 Views
Re: Knightscape - 13/11/2009 11:16:58 PM 849 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:34:49 AM 741 Views
Re: Knightscape - 14/11/2009 01:46:51 AM 820 Views
Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 913 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 865 Views
Re: So... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 759 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 790 Views
Re: Not at all... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 776 Views
Re: Not at all... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 770 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! Ryan - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 800 Views
Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 934 Views
Re: Rand. Dragonsworn - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 1061 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 399 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice Ryan - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 754 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 1203 Views
Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing) Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM 1004 Views
Its the difference between lodlom - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 817 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again Skeeve the Great - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 756 Views
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