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fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM

They had as long as Rand did to formulate a plan to kill Graendal.

But had no hope that Rand would even listen to their plan. They also did not know Balefire was necessary.

The forsaken are not ta'veren, they are not controlled directly by the pattern. Rand is controlled directly by the pattern. If you are going to call another argument bull shit, then you really should think out your own arguments first.

Every action of a ta'veren is not controlled by the Pattern. Go ahead and prove that, why don't you?
Show me how the Pattern would actually want Rand to use the True Power, for example. Or how it let him come so close to destroying it and all of creation.

If you can not defend your argument even when dead pegeons enter the discussion then you have truly lost the argument.

Really? Go drop dead pigeons into all the other discussions then. Try saying that Rand has no free will to other posters, and mention that a dead pigeon is supposed to stop him from what he is determined to do. I'd love to see the responses you'll get.
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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) Matrimony Cauthon - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2242 Views
Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured Lordling - 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM 968 Views
That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM 550 Views
Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM 522 Views
In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM* RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM 398 Views
Wrong and unreasonable. krassos - 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM 990 Views
It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM* guttering flame - 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM 508 Views
"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" krassos - 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM 777 Views
Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM 934 Views
Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day. krassos - 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM 813 Views
When teenagers were physically punished in schools guttering flame - 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM 941 Views
Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight. krassos - 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM 753 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens guttering flame - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 937 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens Night Walker - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 883 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method guttering flame - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 997 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 1010 Views
The point is guttering flame - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 744 Views
They were tried. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 364 Views
Mock trials guttering flame - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 842 Views
Proof? fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 781 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 847 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 846 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 939 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 982 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 875 Views
Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only. krassos - 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM 755 Views
Not true. Verin did in fact serve the DO. She admited as much darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:28:56 AM 783 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 379 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too Sidious - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 801 Views
Sad but true darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 766 Views
Based on those two actions... entyti - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 958 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? NaClH2O - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 866 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 399 Views
She did not target her own people... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 844 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 865 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 378 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 1149 Views
That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 886 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 841 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people NaClH2O - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2426 Views
Nothing wrong with that. Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 891 Views
She does have first hand experience TheCrownless - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 898 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... krassos - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 802 Views
Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) randfandom - 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM 863 Views
Neither is an atrocity... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 1081 Views
this ^ *NM* Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 335 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 877 Views
Bull Sh!t! fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 933 Views
Come on now... Rand al'Thor - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 851 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 842 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 749 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 779 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 834 Views
fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM 760 Views
Re: Knightscape - 13/11/2009 11:16:58 PM 831 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:34:49 AM 729 Views
Re: Knightscape - 14/11/2009 01:46:51 AM 805 Views
Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 899 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 850 Views
Re: So... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 744 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 776 Views
Re: Not at all... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 757 Views
Re: Not at all... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 759 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! Ryan - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 787 Views
Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 920 Views
Re: Rand. Dragonsworn - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 1037 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 392 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice Ryan - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 741 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 1176 Views
Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing) Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM 984 Views
Its the difference between lodlom - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 798 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again Skeeve the Great - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 738 Views
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