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Re: Not at all... Knightscape Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM

Rand is ta'veren. He is tightly connected to the wheel. The wheel controls the actions of ta'veren. Rand's actions are what the pattern wants/needs to take place.

Nope. He can and does go against the Wheel. There is no way the Wheel wanted him to use the True Power, for example.


Did the wheel not want him to escape?
Did he in fact escape?


In this book, with the Darkness in Rand, his ta'veren nature itself was unbalanced. The land is one with the Dragon and all that.

So please don't tell me whatever he does, he is right. That is just not so.


Whatever he does is guided by the pattern.
All good things come to those who wait.
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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) Matrimony Cauthon - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2294 Views
Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured Lordling - 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM 1010 Views
That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM 567 Views
Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM 541 Views
In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM* RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM 419 Views
Wrong and unreasonable. krassos - 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM 1049 Views
It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM* guttering flame - 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM 523 Views
"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" krassos - 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM 818 Views
Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM 971 Views
Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day. krassos - 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM 865 Views
When teenagers were physically punished in schools guttering flame - 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM 983 Views
Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight. krassos - 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM 791 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens guttering flame - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 991 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens Night Walker - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 929 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method guttering flame - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 1042 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 1051 Views
The point is guttering flame - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 786 Views
They were tried. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 383 Views
Mock trials guttering flame - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 887 Views
Proof? fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 822 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 888 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 906 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 985 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 1021 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 930 Views
Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only. krassos - 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM 808 Views
Not true. Verin did in fact serve the DO. She admited as much darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:28:56 AM 826 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 395 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too Sidious - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 849 Views
Sad but true darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 811 Views
Based on those two actions... entyti - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 1000 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? NaClH2O - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 913 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 414 Views
She did not target her own people... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 893 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 908 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 393 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 1206 Views
That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 941 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 887 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people NaClH2O - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2468 Views
Nothing wrong with that. Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 941 Views
She does have first hand experience TheCrownless - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 948 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... krassos - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 856 Views
Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) randfandom - 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM 905 Views
Neither is an atrocity... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 1126 Views
this ^ *NM* Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 353 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 913 Views
Bull Sh!t! fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 976 Views
Come on now... Rand al'Thor - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 895 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 887 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 794 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 826 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 878 Views
fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM 805 Views
Re: Knightscape - 13/11/2009 11:16:58 PM 881 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:34:49 AM 768 Views
Re: Knightscape - 14/11/2009 01:46:51 AM 841 Views
Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 949 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 892 Views
Re: So... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 791 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 816 Views
Re: Not at all... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 806 Views
Re: Not at all... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 803 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! Ryan - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 833 Views
Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 959 Views
Re: Rand. Dragonsworn - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 1100 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 406 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice Ryan - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 775 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 1233 Views
Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing) Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM 1038 Views
Its the difference between lodlom - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 847 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again Skeeve the Great - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 781 Views
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