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Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! Ryan Send a noteboard - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM
Though, from what I understood of ta'veren, the Pattern, and such that the Pattern allows for free will. It was discussed in the Eye of the World. Little changes, are alright, it is a pattern after all. Big world sweeping changes, are what ta'veren are for. To change the Pattern, or be pulled along by it to those changes, and to draw others around them along those changes.
As long as those goals are met the Pattern doesn't care. The Dark One is outside it's calculations. With the Dark One the Pattern can only be reactionary. As long as keys points are gotten too, the how of it matters little.
I think if Rand hadn't channeled the True Power, the Dark One would have won. He was in a situation he could not excape otherwise without outside intervention.
There is a saying. One death is a tragedy, a thousand a statistic. The damage and suffering Graendal could have continued to cause if left free would make a few hundred deaths acceptable. Rand had a lot of tools in his arsenal, but Balefire with its risks was the one he depended on, not just to kill her, but to ensure she stayed dead!
As to Egwene...she viewed she was sparring the Aes Sedai.

For us impartial observers it is easy to accept, or condemn, but the charachters motivations and goals need to come to mind too in any debate.
The past is just that, the past. You can only truly live by looking to the future!
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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2186 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 887 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 837 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 913 Views
But... - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 953 Views
The point is - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 692 Views
They were tried. *NM* - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 340 Views
Mock trials - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 791 Views
Proof? - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 706 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 788 Views
But... - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 766 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 883 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 914 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 826 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 353 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 745 Views
Sad but true - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 716 Views
Based on those two actions... - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 897 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 813 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 370 Views
She did not target her own people... - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 788 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 804 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 348 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 1097 Views
That's ridiculous... - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 817 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 776 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2373 Views
Nothing wrong with that. - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 840 Views
She does have first hand experience - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 845 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 749 Views
Neither is an atrocity... - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 1003 Views
this ^ *NM* - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 313 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 827 Views
Bull Sh!t! - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 876 Views
Come on now... - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 796 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 772 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 705 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 733 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 783 Views
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Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 846 Views
So... - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 801 Views
Re: So... - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 695 Views
Not at all... - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 726 Views
Re: Not at all... - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 701 Views
Re: Not at all... - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 701 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 734 Views
Rand. - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 861 Views
Re: Rand. - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 931 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 361 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 690 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 1119 Views
Its the difference between - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 740 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 684 Views

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