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Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! Ryan Send a noteboard - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM
Though, from what I understood of ta'veren, the Pattern, and such that the Pattern allows for free will. It was discussed in the Eye of the World. Little changes, are alright, it is a pattern after all. Big world sweeping changes, are what ta'veren are for. To change the Pattern, or be pulled along by it to those changes, and to draw others around them along those changes.
As long as those goals are met the Pattern doesn't care. The Dark One is outside it's calculations. With the Dark One the Pattern can only be reactionary. As long as keys points are gotten too, the how of it matters little.
I think if Rand hadn't channeled the True Power, the Dark One would have won. He was in a situation he could not excape otherwise without outside intervention.
There is a saying. One death is a tragedy, a thousand a statistic. The damage and suffering Graendal could have continued to cause if left free would make a few hundred deaths acceptable. Rand had a lot of tools in his arsenal, but Balefire with its risks was the one he depended on, not just to kill her, but to ensure she stayed dead!
As to Egwene...she viewed she was sparring the Aes Sedai.

For us impartial observers it is easy to accept, or condemn, but the charachters motivations and goals need to come to mind too in any debate.
The past is just that, the past. You can only truly live by looking to the future!
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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2263 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 959 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 901 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 1010 Views
But... - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 1025 Views
The point is - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 758 Views
They were tried. *NM* - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 374 Views
Mock trials - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 859 Views
Proof? - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 798 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 859 Views
But... - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 870 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 958 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 995 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 889 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 386 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 817 Views
Sad but true - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 782 Views
Based on those two actions... - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 976 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 885 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 406 Views
She did not target her own people... - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 857 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 881 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 386 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 1170 Views
That's ridiculous... - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 912 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 864 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2440 Views
Nothing wrong with that. - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 908 Views
She does have first hand experience - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 914 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 820 Views
Neither is an atrocity... - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 1096 Views
this ^ *NM* - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 343 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 890 Views
Bull Sh!t! - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 947 Views
Come on now... - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 867 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 856 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 761 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 795 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 851 Views
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Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 913 Views
So... - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 865 Views
Re: So... - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 759 Views
Not at all... - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 790 Views
Re: Not at all... - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 776 Views
Re: Not at all... - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 770 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 801 Views
Rand. - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 934 Views
Re: Rand. - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 1061 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 399 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 754 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 1203 Views
Its the difference between - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 817 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 756 Views

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