Wheel of Time Messageboard: But Nynaeve and Mogheiden were of equal strength by beetnemesis

Sounds good Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:08:15 PM 1425 Views

Re: Sounds good Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:12:53 PM 1547 Views

Re: Someryn Logain - 18/11/2009 06:20:44 PM 1531 Views

I acknowledge that possibility... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:24:30 PM 1404 Views

Someryn implies that Graendal is stronger. Rurouni_Kenshin - 19/11/2009 01:51:31 PM 1494 Views

Excellent point...I'd forgotten about that... Shannow - 19/11/2009 02:00:30 PM 1435 Views

As I understand it... Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:23:26 PM 1476 Views

My view is that the new list is just a revised one, after RJ changed his mind on some things... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:28:53 PM 1544 Views

Agreed. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:31:22 PM 1351 Views

I suppose that's possible. *NM* Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:31:42 PM 1192 Views

I agree with this interpretation on the new vs. old list kcf - 18/11/2009 07:13:02 PM 1461 Views

Re: Sounds good kcf - 18/11/2009 07:11:17 PM 1315 Views

Did it sound like Sanderson knew the names of all 6 women above Nynaeve? Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:12:57 PM 1452 Views

Re: Did it sound like Sanderson knew the names of all 6 women above Nynaeve? kcf - 18/11/2009 07:15:22 PM 1602 Views

Also, a couple more questions, if I may... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:18:50 PM 1349 Views

Re: Also, a couple more questions, if I may... kcf - 18/11/2009 07:23:45 PM 1384 Views

But you said that you asked him whether Cyndane was one of the 6, and he said no. Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:26:17 PM 1409 Views

Re: But you said that you asked him whether Cyndane was one of the 6, and he said no. kcf - 18/11/2009 07:31:35 PM 1411 Views

That blows a heck of a lot of this theory out of the water... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:33:39 PM 1394 Views

it's possible, but I'd say unlikely kcf - 18/11/2009 07:34:32 PM 1413 Views

One problem... Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 06:10:06 PM 1520 Views

No... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:14:48 PM 1434 Views

That's not a problem. Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 06:31:37 PM 1385 Views

Why on earth would there be multiple restrictions on Cyndane's strength? Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:47:56 PM 1271 Views

Sorry buddy Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 07:36:00 PM 1383 Views

Re: Sorry buddy rhiane - 18/11/2009 09:49:01 PM 1341 Views

Are you able to give any more detail on Sanderson's answer to your Cyndane question? Shannow - 18/11/2009 10:02:17 PM 1382 Views

But Nynaeve and Mogheiden were of equal strength beetnemesis - 18/11/2009 06:15:52 PM 1585 Views

Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:19:07 PM 1611 Views

I agree...and I have a question regarding Moghedien. Logain - 18/11/2009 06:30:07 PM 1418 Views

Cyndane has to be above Graendal. *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:33:16 PM 775 Views

You're right. I'll post new list below. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 06:39:36 PM 779 Views

Was she? Nyn was mid20s and a wilder, I thought she had reached full strength beetnemesis - 18/11/2009 08:00:24 PM 1458 Views

As late as CoS, Nynaeve states that she is not close to her full potential yet. *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:04:47 PM 776 Views

She really hasn't had that much time channelling though. Wotmaniac Reborn - 18/11/2009 08:07:31 PM 1114 Views

Wilders rarely reach their full potential if they're blocked. *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:43:30 PM 816 Views

I know the Cleansing forced her a bit. Gher - 18/11/2009 08:44:59 PM 1394 Views

That's been said before- anyone know where it says that in the text? beetnemesis - 19/11/2009 05:53:50 AM 1195 Views

Re: Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 08:07:05 PM 1410 Views

Re: Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... Tedtheman - 18/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 1268 Views

More or less agreed. I was right about Nynaeve! fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:29:27 PM 1338 Views

IMO... Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:37:19 PM 1474 Views

I don't know... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:56:10 PM 1353 Views

I still think Alivia is below Lanfear's strength level... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:59:01 PM 1639 Views

That just doesn't make sense... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 07:02:17 PM 1440 Views

I agree that Lanfear and Alivia are tied. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 07:06:19 PM 772 Views

All of my instincts indeed argue that 4 of the Forsaken CANNOT be below Nynaeve, but... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:06:25 PM 1303 Views

But why doesn't it make sense? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:47:42 PM 1170 Views

Talaan, Alivia and Sharina reduced my estimation of Nynaeve dramatically... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:54:29 PM 1396 Views

All this can be explained by the fact that Nynaeve was yet to reach her potential. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:25:41 PM 1403 Views

I don't think... Etzel - 18/11/2009 07:08:09 PM 1497 Views

Damane never recieve special status... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:52:32 PM 1349 Views

Good point... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:00:51 PM 1352 Views

Thing is... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:10:45 PM 1372 Views

Lanfear cannot even defeat Rand. Nynaeve wouldn't last a minute against him. Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:13:06 PM 1618 Views

And Rand couldn't defeat Lanfear. What's your point? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:26:06 PM 1168 Views

He could. RJ stated it in a Q&A. Rand just couldn't bring himself to do it... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:45:18 PM 1171 Views

But so could Lanfear, and both had angreal, confusing the situation considerably. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:47:25 PM 1218 Views

My point was... Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 1351 Views

I agree *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:10:46 PM 738 Views

If Tuon had the strongest... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:12:22 PM 1279 Views

Sera must be stronger... Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:25:00 PM 1295 Views

There's no reason to be certain about it... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:28:26 PM 1354 Views

Well, the Bloodknives are precisely Tuon's tools Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:32:46 PM 1277 Views

There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:46:28 PM 1354 Views

There are six stronger women named on the list Etzel - 19/11/2009 11:40:52 AM 1371 Views

I'm not ignoring Sera! fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:13:43 PM 1216 Views

You misunderstand me... Etzel - 19/11/2009 06:16:31 PM 1303 Views

I doesn't make "sense". Let's leave it... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:19:52 PM 1261 Views

There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:46:29 PM 1430 Views

But Alivia (while strong in the OP) is an old fraile lady on her deathbed. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 09:41:33 PM 843 Views

Pardon? Don't understand this really. *NM* Etzel - 19/11/2009 11:45:21 AM 619 Views

You keep saying Alivia was "a common damane" darius_sedai - 28/11/2009 08:58:42 PM 1142 Views

You were right about Nynaeve, I was right about Graendal! Well done! Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:37:42 PM 1432 Views

Yes. This is one WoT debate coming to a close...

fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:54:06 PM 1183 Views

I have one problem with your list. Kaldric - 18/11/2009 06:36:02 PM 1390 Views

RJ said the Forsaken ALWAYS overrate themselves... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:54:45 PM 1258 Views

I totally agree. Mesaana is weaker than Semirhage. This was also confirmed by BS *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 06:56:30 PM 727 Views

Mesaana is cold and calculating. Kaldric - 18/11/2009 07:03:49 PM 1330 Views

I'm sorry, but I find it mindblowing that you find this mindblowing. TaskmasterJack - 18/11/2009 06:36:37 PM 1354 Views

Some of us have been debating this for 5 years on Wotmania... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:57:08 PM 1387 Views

I think it goes like this: Logain - 18/11/2009 06:53:07 PM 1368 Views

There is a side effect to all of this rearrangement...we may have to rethink the wonder girls. Logain - 18/11/2009 07:04:17 PM 1387 Views

We'll have to re-read the sections where Moghedien is captured. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/11/2009 07:08:07 PM 1289 Views

Damn. That's a thought I definitely DON'T relish. Thankfully... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:09:18 PM 1345 Views

Helpless at her strength at the time, or helpless at Egwene's full potential? *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 07:26:15 PM 739 Views

Egwene was forced, so she was already at her full potential when she made this comment. *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:45:08 PM 741 Views

I admit she was forced, but how does that guarantee she was at full strength? *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 08:06:40 PM 747 Views

I'm 90% sure it is stated somewhere... *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:10:03 PM 736 Views

Egwene was at her full strength. Elayne comments on this in The Shadow Rising IIRC. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/11/2009 08:34:37 PM 1402 Views

She only says that Egwene is stronger and had been forced darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 01:54:56 AM 1381 Views

Where does she say this? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:54:39 PM 1335 Views

No, she explicitly refers to herself vs Moghedien... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:01:53 PM 1338 Views

Here are the quotes... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:24:24 PM 1564 Views

Oh come on. You're totally twisting that passage to suit your argument... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:54:56 PM 1255 Views

I could say the same... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 10:50:44 PM 1274 Views

So let me get this straight... Shannow - 19/11/2009 06:44:03 AM 1323 Views

No... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 07:37:29 AM 1350 Views

Look at it this way... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:23:06 AM 1313 Views

Dude, there were other quotes... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:15:32 PM 1204 Views

What about Sammael? The debate about Sammael and Rahvin has been decided now too. Logain - 18/11/2009 08:03:35 PM 1423 Views

Totally disagree... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:08:34 PM 1442 Views

Re: Totally disagree... Logain - 18/11/2009 08:22:07 PM 1319 Views

Males likely go like this... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:27:27 PM 1306 Views

Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 1309 Views

Disagree... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:09:45 PM 1368 Views

Disagree back... for the last time though... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:39:25 PM 1226 Views

About the top 6... Shannow - 18/11/2009 10:08:37 PM 1325 Views

And One Power Battles turn political on a regualr basis, do they? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 10:54:35 PM 1370 Views

That's ridiculous... Shannow - 19/11/2009 07:19:08 AM 1271 Views

Re: That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 08:08:14 AM 1301 Views

Well... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:29:45 AM 1333 Views

This is getting idiotic... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:19:08 PM 1295 Views

Re: Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 07:31:18 PM 1280 Views

If Rahvin were stronger... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:59:32 PM 1253 Views

Graendal could not face down Rand. And if she thinks she can it is b/c she has an angreal. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 09:49:00 PM 686 Views

But Rand did not know of her angreal. *NM* fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 12:03:21 AM 709 Views

Rand knows he can beat Graendal in a heads-up-duel. Graendal knows she would lose. *NM* Logain - 28/11/2009 10:07:27 PM 753 Views

Disagreement Corwin - 19/11/2009 01:39:49 AM 1398 Views

Some more from Brandon... kcf - 19/11/2009 04:29:41 AM 1289 Views

So we're back where we started?

fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 04:56:36 AM 1083 Views

Re: So we're back where we started?

kcf - 19/11/2009 05:18:15 AM 1413 Views

Someone must ask him: Is Cyndane one of the 6 above Nynaeve. Shannow - 19/11/2009 05:35:10 AM 1250 Views

My opinion: down this path lies insanity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/11/2009 02:53:59 PM 1374 Views

Thoughts Heiko - 19/11/2009 04:55:09 AM 1418 Views

Re: Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 07:55:51 PM 1262 Views

we know from a direcet quote in TPoD that Nynaeve had not yet reached full strength darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:36:50 PM 1263 Views

Re: we know from a direcet quote in TPoD that Nynaeve had not yet reached full strength The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:17:48 PM 1306 Views

winning in TAR had nothing to do with OP strength... that was pure skill and later Moghedien lost! darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 04:14:26 PM 1256 Views

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