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Disagreement Corwin Send a noteboard - 19/11/2009 01:39:49 AM
I think Sanderson misspoke when he said that Cyndane is very much weakened. This doesn't make sense based on information from the books. For example, Cyndane matches Alivia while Alivia has an angreal. Although this passage has sparked debate over who would be stronger if Alivia didn't have the angreal, most interpretations lean toward the idea that Cyndane is stronger than Alivia in the One Power. RJ said that Cyndane matched the stronger Alivia because she was a more skilled channeler, but if Alivia is so much stronger than Cyndane, as your list seems to imply, and had an angreal, no amount of skill could make up for such a massive difference in strength.

Also, we know that Cyndane is stronger than Graendal. From comparisons at Forsaken meetings and the opinions of other Forsaken, I have a hard time imagining Graendal to be weaker than Semirhage, although Semirhage and Nynaeve may very well be on the same level at this point in the series. I agree that Mesaana is weaker than Semirhage, and Moghedien is of course the weakest of the bunch. I would organize the Forsaken strength list as follows:

Lanfear
Cyndane
Graendal
Semirhage
Mesaana
Moghedien

The only interesting information Sanderson has given us regarding comparative strengths is the current strength of Nynaeve. I still think the traditional interpretation of Forsaken strength levels is valid, and has two decades of quotes from the books to support it rather than just a comment from a tired author at a book signing finishing a complicated series that is not his own.
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Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... - 18/11/2009 05:56:58 PM 2551 Views
Sounds good - 18/11/2009 06:08:15 PM 1387 Views
Re: Sounds good - 18/11/2009 06:12:53 PM 1517 Views
Re: Someryn - 18/11/2009 06:20:44 PM 1496 Views
I acknowledge that possibility... - 18/11/2009 06:24:30 PM 1365 Views
Someryn implies that Graendal is stronger. - 19/11/2009 01:51:31 PM 1461 Views
Excellent point...I'd forgotten about that... - 19/11/2009 02:00:30 PM 1399 Views
As I understand it... - 18/11/2009 06:23:26 PM 1445 Views
My view is that the new list is just a revised one, after RJ changed his mind on some things... - 18/11/2009 06:28:53 PM 1513 Views
Agreed. - 18/11/2009 06:31:22 PM 1316 Views
I suppose that's possible. *NM* - 18/11/2009 06:31:42 PM 1148 Views
I agree with this interpretation on the new vs. old list - 18/11/2009 07:13:02 PM 1424 Views
Re: Sounds good - 18/11/2009 07:11:17 PM 1276 Views
Also, a couple more questions, if I may... - 18/11/2009 07:18:50 PM 1309 Views
Re: Also, a couple more questions, if I may... - 18/11/2009 07:23:45 PM 1354 Views
One problem... - 18/11/2009 06:10:06 PM 1482 Views
No... - 18/11/2009 06:14:48 PM 1390 Views
That's not a problem. - 18/11/2009 06:31:37 PM 1348 Views
Why on earth would there be multiple restrictions on Cyndane's strength? - 18/11/2009 06:47:56 PM 1245 Views
Sorry buddy - 18/11/2009 07:36:00 PM 1350 Views
Re: Sorry buddy - 18/11/2009 09:49:01 PM 1303 Views
But Nynaeve and Mogheiden were of equal strength - 18/11/2009 06:15:52 PM 1537 Views
Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... - 18/11/2009 06:19:07 PM 1582 Views
I agree...and I have a question regarding Moghedien. - 18/11/2009 06:30:07 PM 1394 Views
Cyndane has to be above Graendal. *NM* - 18/11/2009 06:33:16 PM 741 Views
You're right. I'll post new list below. *NM* - 18/11/2009 06:39:36 PM 761 Views
Was she? Nyn was mid20s and a wilder, I thought she had reached full strength - 18/11/2009 08:00:24 PM 1420 Views
She really hasn't had that much time channelling though. - 18/11/2009 08:07:31 PM 1069 Views
Wilders rarely reach their full potential if they're blocked. *NM* - 18/11/2009 08:43:30 PM 795 Views
I know the Cleansing forced her a bit. - 18/11/2009 08:44:59 PM 1353 Views
That's been said before- anyone know where it says that in the text? - 19/11/2009 05:53:50 AM 1158 Views
More or less agreed. I was right about Nynaeve! - 18/11/2009 06:29:27 PM 1298 Views
IMO... - 18/11/2009 06:37:19 PM 1433 Views
I don't know... - 18/11/2009 06:56:10 PM 1315 Views
I still think Alivia is below Lanfear's strength level... - 18/11/2009 06:59:01 PM 1605 Views
That just doesn't make sense... - 18/11/2009 07:02:17 PM 1403 Views
I agree that Lanfear and Alivia are tied. *NM* - 18/11/2009 07:06:19 PM 748 Views
All of my instincts indeed argue that 4 of the Forsaken CANNOT be below Nynaeve, but... - 18/11/2009 07:06:25 PM 1262 Views
But why doesn't it make sense? - 18/11/2009 08:47:42 PM 1127 Views
I don't think... - 18/11/2009 07:08:09 PM 1458 Views
Damane never recieve special status... - 18/11/2009 08:52:32 PM 1305 Views
Good point... - 18/11/2009 09:00:51 PM 1315 Views
Thing is... - 18/11/2009 09:10:45 PM 1333 Views
My point was... - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 1318 Views
I agree *NM* - 18/11/2009 09:10:46 PM 719 Views
If Tuon had the strongest... - 18/11/2009 09:12:22 PM 1250 Views
Sera must be stronger... - 18/11/2009 09:25:00 PM 1265 Views
There's no reason to be certain about it... - 18/11/2009 09:28:26 PM 1319 Views
Well, the Bloodknives are precisely Tuon's tools - 18/11/2009 09:32:46 PM 1243 Views
There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... - 18/11/2009 09:46:28 PM 1320 Views
There are six stronger women named on the list - 19/11/2009 11:40:52 AM 1332 Views
I'm not ignoring Sera! - 19/11/2009 06:13:43 PM 1184 Views
You misunderstand me... - 19/11/2009 06:16:31 PM 1252 Views
I doesn't make "sense". Let's leave it... - 19/11/2009 06:19:52 PM 1235 Views
But Alivia (while strong in the OP) is an old fraile lady on her deathbed. *NM* - 18/11/2009 09:41:33 PM 815 Views
Pardon? Don't understand this really. *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:45:21 AM 601 Views
You keep saying Alivia was "a common damane" - 28/11/2009 08:58:42 PM 1099 Views
You were right about Nynaeve, I was right about Graendal! Well done! - 18/11/2009 06:37:42 PM 1390 Views
Yes. This is one WoT debate coming to a close... - 18/11/2009 06:54:06 PM 1150 Views
I have one problem with your list. - 18/11/2009 06:36:02 PM 1355 Views
RJ said the Forsaken ALWAYS overrate themselves... - 18/11/2009 06:54:45 PM 1216 Views
Mesaana is cold and calculating. - 18/11/2009 07:03:49 PM 1288 Views
I'm sorry, but I find it mindblowing that you find this mindblowing. - 18/11/2009 06:36:37 PM 1323 Views
Some of us have been debating this for 5 years on Wotmania... - 18/11/2009 06:57:08 PM 1347 Views
I think it goes like this: - 18/11/2009 06:53:07 PM 1327 Views
There is a side effect to all of this rearrangement...we may have to rethink the wonder girls. - 18/11/2009 07:04:17 PM 1357 Views
We'll have to re-read the sections where Moghedien is captured. - 18/11/2009 07:08:07 PM 1253 Views
Damn. That's a thought I definitely DON'T relish. Thankfully... - 18/11/2009 07:09:18 PM 1310 Views
Where does she say this? - 18/11/2009 08:54:39 PM 1292 Views
No, she explicitly refers to herself vs Moghedien... - 18/11/2009 09:01:53 PM 1300 Views
Here are the quotes... - 18/11/2009 09:24:24 PM 1362 Views
Oh come on. You're totally twisting that passage to suit your argument... - 18/11/2009 09:54:56 PM 1218 Views
I could say the same... - 18/11/2009 10:50:44 PM 1237 Views
So let me get this straight... - 19/11/2009 06:44:03 AM 1283 Views
No... - 19/11/2009 07:37:29 AM 1303 Views
Look at it this way... - 19/11/2009 10:23:06 AM 1258 Views
Dude, there were other quotes... - 19/11/2009 06:15:32 PM 1180 Views
What about Sammael? The debate about Sammael and Rahvin has been decided now too. - 18/11/2009 08:03:35 PM 1381 Views
Totally disagree... - 18/11/2009 08:08:34 PM 1398 Views
Re: Totally disagree... - 18/11/2009 08:22:07 PM 1278 Views
Males likely go like this... - 18/11/2009 08:27:27 PM 1263 Views
Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 1270 Views
Disagree... - 18/11/2009 09:09:45 PM 1327 Views
Disagree back... for the last time though... - 18/11/2009 09:39:25 PM 1198 Views
About the top 6... - 18/11/2009 10:08:37 PM 1287 Views
And One Power Battles turn political on a regualr basis, do they? - 18/11/2009 10:54:35 PM 1332 Views
That's ridiculous... - 19/11/2009 07:19:08 AM 1225 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... - 19/11/2009 08:08:14 AM 1252 Views
Well... - 19/11/2009 10:29:45 AM 1295 Views
This is getting idiotic... - 19/11/2009 06:19:08 PM 1252 Views
Re: Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... - 10/12/2010 07:31:18 PM 1258 Views
If Rahvin were stronger... - 18/11/2009 08:59:32 PM 1210 Views
Disagreement - 19/11/2009 01:39:49 AM 1352 Views
Some more from Brandon... - 19/11/2009 04:29:41 AM 1253 Views
So we're back where we started? - 19/11/2009 04:56:36 AM 1055 Views
Re: So we're back where we started? - 19/11/2009 05:18:15 AM 1368 Views
Someone must ask him: Is Cyndane one of the 6 above Nynaeve. - 19/11/2009 05:35:10 AM 1216 Views
My opinion: down this path lies insanity. - 19/11/2009 02:53:59 PM 1333 Views
Thoughts - 19/11/2009 04:55:09 AM 1386 Views

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