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Disagreement Corwin Send a noteboard - 19/11/2009 01:39:49 AM
I think Sanderson misspoke when he said that Cyndane is very much weakened. This doesn't make sense based on information from the books. For example, Cyndane matches Alivia while Alivia has an angreal. Although this passage has sparked debate over who would be stronger if Alivia didn't have the angreal, most interpretations lean toward the idea that Cyndane is stronger than Alivia in the One Power. RJ said that Cyndane matched the stronger Alivia because she was a more skilled channeler, but if Alivia is so much stronger than Cyndane, as your list seems to imply, and had an angreal, no amount of skill could make up for such a massive difference in strength.

Also, we know that Cyndane is stronger than Graendal. From comparisons at Forsaken meetings and the opinions of other Forsaken, I have a hard time imagining Graendal to be weaker than Semirhage, although Semirhage and Nynaeve may very well be on the same level at this point in the series. I agree that Mesaana is weaker than Semirhage, and Moghedien is of course the weakest of the bunch. I would organize the Forsaken strength list as follows:

Lanfear
Cyndane
Graendal
Semirhage
Mesaana
Moghedien

The only interesting information Sanderson has given us regarding comparative strengths is the current strength of Nynaeve. I still think the traditional interpretation of Forsaken strength levels is valid, and has two decades of quotes from the books to support it rather than just a comment from a tired author at a book signing finishing a complicated series that is not his own.
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Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... - 18/11/2009 05:56:58 PM 2297 Views
Sounds good - 18/11/2009 06:08:15 PM 1181 Views
Re: Sounds good - 18/11/2009 06:12:53 PM 1255 Views
Re: Someryn - 18/11/2009 06:20:44 PM 1224 Views
I acknowledge that possibility... - 18/11/2009 06:24:30 PM 1124 Views
Someryn implies that Graendal is stronger. - 19/11/2009 01:51:31 PM 1234 Views
Excellent point...I'd forgotten about that... - 19/11/2009 02:00:30 PM 1138 Views
As I understand it... - 18/11/2009 06:23:26 PM 1237 Views
My view is that the new list is just a revised one, after RJ changed his mind on some things... - 18/11/2009 06:28:53 PM 1280 Views
Agreed. - 18/11/2009 06:31:22 PM 1094 Views
I suppose that's possible. *NM* - 18/11/2009 06:31:42 PM 887 Views
I agree with this interpretation on the new vs. old list - 18/11/2009 07:13:02 PM 1169 Views
Re: Sounds good - 18/11/2009 07:11:17 PM 1071 Views
Also, a couple more questions, if I may... - 18/11/2009 07:18:50 PM 1076 Views
Re: Also, a couple more questions, if I may... - 18/11/2009 07:23:45 PM 1102 Views
One problem... - 18/11/2009 06:10:06 PM 1270 Views
No... - 18/11/2009 06:14:48 PM 1176 Views
That's not a problem. - 18/11/2009 06:31:37 PM 1136 Views
Why on earth would there be multiple restrictions on Cyndane's strength? - 18/11/2009 06:47:56 PM 1026 Views
Sorry buddy - 18/11/2009 07:36:00 PM 1142 Views
Re: Sorry buddy - 18/11/2009 09:49:01 PM 1076 Views
But Nynaeve and Mogheiden were of equal strength - 18/11/2009 06:15:52 PM 1317 Views
Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... - 18/11/2009 06:19:07 PM 1372 Views
I agree...and I have a question regarding Moghedien. - 18/11/2009 06:30:07 PM 1184 Views
Cyndane has to be above Graendal. *NM* - 18/11/2009 06:33:16 PM 627 Views
You're right. I'll post new list below. *NM* - 18/11/2009 06:39:36 PM 647 Views
Was she? Nyn was mid20s and a wilder, I thought she had reached full strength - 18/11/2009 08:00:24 PM 1210 Views
She really hasn't had that much time channelling though. - 18/11/2009 08:07:31 PM 867 Views
Wilders rarely reach their full potential if they're blocked. *NM* - 18/11/2009 08:43:30 PM 675 Views
I know the Cleansing forced her a bit. - 18/11/2009 08:44:59 PM 1154 Views
That's been said before- anyone know where it says that in the text? - 19/11/2009 05:53:50 AM 930 Views
More or less agreed. I was right about Nynaeve! - 18/11/2009 06:29:27 PM 1086 Views
IMO... - 18/11/2009 06:37:19 PM 1195 Views
I don't know... - 18/11/2009 06:56:10 PM 1072 Views
I still think Alivia is below Lanfear's strength level... - 18/11/2009 06:59:01 PM 1385 Views
That just doesn't make sense... - 18/11/2009 07:02:17 PM 1187 Views
I agree that Lanfear and Alivia are tied. *NM* - 18/11/2009 07:06:19 PM 656 Views
All of my instincts indeed argue that 4 of the Forsaken CANNOT be below Nynaeve, but... - 18/11/2009 07:06:25 PM 1031 Views
But why doesn't it make sense? - 18/11/2009 08:47:42 PM 915 Views
I don't think... - 18/11/2009 07:08:09 PM 1252 Views
Damane never recieve special status... - 18/11/2009 08:52:32 PM 1062 Views
Good point... - 18/11/2009 09:00:51 PM 1080 Views
Thing is... - 18/11/2009 09:10:45 PM 1122 Views
My point was... - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 1118 Views
I agree *NM* - 18/11/2009 09:10:46 PM 619 Views
If Tuon had the strongest... - 18/11/2009 09:12:22 PM 1039 Views
Sera must be stronger... - 18/11/2009 09:25:00 PM 1033 Views
There's no reason to be certain about it... - 18/11/2009 09:28:26 PM 1100 Views
Well, the Bloodknives are precisely Tuon's tools - 18/11/2009 09:32:46 PM 1046 Views
There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... - 18/11/2009 09:46:28 PM 1095 Views
There are six stronger women named on the list - 19/11/2009 11:40:52 AM 1095 Views
I'm not ignoring Sera! - 19/11/2009 06:13:43 PM 955 Views
You misunderstand me... - 19/11/2009 06:16:31 PM 1033 Views
I doesn't make "sense". Let's leave it... - 19/11/2009 06:19:52 PM 1028 Views
But Alivia (while strong in the OP) is an old fraile lady on her deathbed. *NM* - 18/11/2009 09:41:33 PM 668 Views
Pardon? Don't understand this really. *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:45:21 AM 492 Views
You keep saying Alivia was "a common damane" - 28/11/2009 08:58:42 PM 884 Views
You were right about Nynaeve, I was right about Graendal! Well done! - 18/11/2009 06:37:42 PM 1173 Views
Yes. This is one WoT debate coming to a close... - 18/11/2009 06:54:06 PM 949 Views
I have one problem with your list. - 18/11/2009 06:36:02 PM 1132 Views
RJ said the Forsaken ALWAYS overrate themselves... - 18/11/2009 06:54:45 PM 994 Views
Mesaana is cold and calculating. - 18/11/2009 07:03:49 PM 1040 Views
I'm sorry, but I find it mindblowing that you find this mindblowing. - 18/11/2009 06:36:37 PM 1066 Views
Some of us have been debating this for 5 years on Wotmania... - 18/11/2009 06:57:08 PM 1145 Views
I think it goes like this: - 18/11/2009 06:53:07 PM 1094 Views
There is a side effect to all of this rearrangement...we may have to rethink the wonder girls. - 18/11/2009 07:04:17 PM 1139 Views
We'll have to re-read the sections where Moghedien is captured. - 18/11/2009 07:08:07 PM 1042 Views
Damn. That's a thought I definitely DON'T relish. Thankfully... - 18/11/2009 07:09:18 PM 1077 Views
Where does she say this? - 18/11/2009 08:54:39 PM 1095 Views
No, she explicitly refers to herself vs Moghedien... - 18/11/2009 09:01:53 PM 1092 Views
Here are the quotes... - 18/11/2009 09:24:24 PM 1103 Views
Oh come on. You're totally twisting that passage to suit your argument... - 18/11/2009 09:54:56 PM 1001 Views
I could say the same... - 18/11/2009 10:50:44 PM 1024 Views
So let me get this straight... - 19/11/2009 06:44:03 AM 1027 Views
No... - 19/11/2009 07:37:29 AM 1075 Views
Look at it this way... - 19/11/2009 10:23:06 AM 1040 Views
Dude, there were other quotes... - 19/11/2009 06:15:32 PM 968 Views
What about Sammael? The debate about Sammael and Rahvin has been decided now too. - 18/11/2009 08:03:35 PM 1132 Views
Totally disagree... - 18/11/2009 08:08:34 PM 1160 Views
Re: Totally disagree... - 18/11/2009 08:22:07 PM 1051 Views
Males likely go like this... - 18/11/2009 08:27:27 PM 1022 Views
Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 1027 Views
Disagree... - 18/11/2009 09:09:45 PM 1117 Views
Disagree back... for the last time though... - 18/11/2009 09:39:25 PM 980 Views
About the top 6... - 18/11/2009 10:08:37 PM 1054 Views
And One Power Battles turn political on a regualr basis, do they? - 18/11/2009 10:54:35 PM 1112 Views
That's ridiculous... - 19/11/2009 07:19:08 AM 995 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... - 19/11/2009 08:08:14 AM 1028 Views
Well... - 19/11/2009 10:29:45 AM 1041 Views
This is getting idiotic... - 19/11/2009 06:19:08 PM 1046 Views
Re: Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... - 10/12/2010 07:31:18 PM 1047 Views
If Rahvin were stronger... - 18/11/2009 08:59:32 PM 1004 Views
Disagreement - 19/11/2009 01:39:49 AM 1141 Views
Some more from Brandon... - 19/11/2009 04:29:41 AM 1029 Views
So we're back where we started? - 19/11/2009 04:56:36 AM 841 Views
Re: So we're back where we started? - 19/11/2009 05:18:15 AM 1135 Views
Someone must ask him: Is Cyndane one of the 6 above Nynaeve. - 19/11/2009 05:35:10 AM 987 Views
My opinion: down this path lies insanity. - 19/11/2009 02:53:59 PM 1068 Views
Thoughts - 19/11/2009 04:55:09 AM 1146 Views

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