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Some more from Brandon... kcf Send a noteboard - 19/11/2009 04:29:41 AM
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Okay, time to post about Cyndane for you Theorylanders. I have been discussing with Maria all day. She and I have different opinions on some things in the notes, but she has convinced me that she is right. I believed that there were some issues with her Power level—the Dark One playing tricks to keep everyone guessing—but Maria convinced me her Power really is what it seems. So you can disregard my comment about her being really, really weak and stick with the word I used earlier—"weakened." This is what you get for asking about things that we are still picking apart the notes regarding. You know I love you, Theorylanders. (Even if I sometimes feel like I'm surrounded by a pack of wolves when talking to you.)


First, I feel better - I was beginning to doubt what I initially heard. Second, this unfortunately doesn't say whether she's stronger or weaker than Nynaeve. I've asked another SL who was there for the conversation what her impression was. We'll see.
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Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... Shannow - 18/11/2009 05:56:58 PM 2677 Views
Sounds good Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:08:15 PM 1489 Views
Re: Sounds good Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:12:53 PM 1629 Views
Re: Someryn Logain - 18/11/2009 06:20:44 PM 1634 Views
I acknowledge that possibility... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:24:30 PM 1480 Views
Someryn implies that Graendal is stronger. Rurouni_Kenshin - 19/11/2009 01:51:31 PM 1576 Views
Excellent point...I'd forgotten about that... Shannow - 19/11/2009 02:00:30 PM 1498 Views
As I understand it... Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:23:26 PM 1543 Views
My view is that the new list is just a revised one, after RJ changed his mind on some things... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:28:53 PM 1614 Views
Agreed. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:31:22 PM 1426 Views
I suppose that's possible. *NM* Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:31:42 PM 1265 Views
I agree with this interpretation on the new vs. old list kcf - 18/11/2009 07:13:02 PM 1538 Views
Re: Sounds good kcf - 18/11/2009 07:11:17 PM 1388 Views
Did it sound like Sanderson knew the names of all 6 women above Nynaeve? Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:12:57 PM 1517 Views
Re: Did it sound like Sanderson knew the names of all 6 women above Nynaeve? kcf - 18/11/2009 07:15:22 PM 1660 Views
Also, a couple more questions, if I may... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:18:50 PM 1415 Views
Re: Also, a couple more questions, if I may... kcf - 18/11/2009 07:23:45 PM 1453 Views
But you said that you asked him whether Cyndane was one of the 6, and he said no. Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:26:17 PM 1488 Views
Re: But you said that you asked him whether Cyndane was one of the 6, and he said no. kcf - 18/11/2009 07:31:35 PM 1475 Views
That blows a heck of a lot of this theory out of the water... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:33:39 PM 1452 Views
it's possible, but I'd say unlikely kcf - 18/11/2009 07:34:32 PM 1474 Views
One problem... Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 06:10:06 PM 1579 Views
No... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:14:48 PM 1496 Views
That's not a problem. Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 06:31:37 PM 1444 Views
Why on earth would there be multiple restrictions on Cyndane's strength? Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:47:56 PM 1349 Views
Sorry buddy Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 07:36:00 PM 1443 Views
Re: Sorry buddy rhiane - 18/11/2009 09:49:01 PM 1407 Views
Are you able to give any more detail on Sanderson's answer to your Cyndane question? Shannow - 18/11/2009 10:02:17 PM 1455 Views
But Nynaeve and Mogheiden were of equal strength beetnemesis - 18/11/2009 06:15:52 PM 1647 Views
Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:19:07 PM 1669 Views
I agree...and I have a question regarding Moghedien. Logain - 18/11/2009 06:30:07 PM 1490 Views
Cyndane has to be above Graendal. *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:33:16 PM 817 Views
You're right. I'll post new list below. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 06:39:36 PM 823 Views
Was she? Nyn was mid20s and a wilder, I thought she had reached full strength beetnemesis - 18/11/2009 08:00:24 PM 1516 Views
As late as CoS, Nynaeve states that she is not close to her full potential yet. *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:04:47 PM 810 Views
She really hasn't had that much time channelling though. Wotmaniac Reborn - 18/11/2009 08:07:31 PM 1177 Views
Wilders rarely reach their full potential if they're blocked. *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:43:30 PM 850 Views
I know the Cleansing forced her a bit. Gher - 18/11/2009 08:44:59 PM 1452 Views
That's been said before- anyone know where it says that in the text? beetnemesis - 19/11/2009 05:53:50 AM 1258 Views
Re: Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 08:07:05 PM 1469 Views
Re: Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... Tedtheman - 18/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 1348 Views
More or less agreed. I was right about Nynaeve! fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:29:27 PM 1395 Views
IMO... Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:37:19 PM 1534 Views
I don't know... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:56:10 PM 1435 Views
I still think Alivia is below Lanfear's strength level... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:59:01 PM 1706 Views
That just doesn't make sense... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 07:02:17 PM 1508 Views
I agree that Lanfear and Alivia are tied. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 07:06:19 PM 804 Views
All of my instincts indeed argue that 4 of the Forsaken CANNOT be below Nynaeve, but... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:06:25 PM 1375 Views
But why doesn't it make sense? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:47:42 PM 1225 Views
Talaan, Alivia and Sharina reduced my estimation of Nynaeve dramatically... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:54:29 PM 1469 Views
All this can be explained by the fact that Nynaeve was yet to reach her potential. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:25:41 PM 1480 Views
I don't think... Etzel - 18/11/2009 07:08:09 PM 1554 Views
Damane never recieve special status... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:52:32 PM 1416 Views
Good point... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:00:51 PM 1418 Views
Thing is... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:10:45 PM 1431 Views
Lanfear cannot even defeat Rand. Nynaeve wouldn't last a minute against him. Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:13:06 PM 1707 Views
And Rand couldn't defeat Lanfear. What's your point? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:26:06 PM 1234 Views
He could. RJ stated it in a Q&A. Rand just couldn't bring himself to do it... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:45:18 PM 1227 Views
But so could Lanfear, and both had angreal, confusing the situation considerably. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:47:25 PM 1285 Views
My point was... Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 1405 Views
I agree *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:10:46 PM 772 Views
If Tuon had the strongest... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:12:22 PM 1343 Views
Sera must be stronger... Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:25:00 PM 1357 Views
There's no reason to be certain about it... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:28:26 PM 1415 Views
Well, the Bloodknives are precisely Tuon's tools Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:32:46 PM 1331 Views
There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:46:28 PM 1420 Views
There are six stronger women named on the list Etzel - 19/11/2009 11:40:52 AM 1440 Views
I'm not ignoring Sera! fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:13:43 PM 1279 Views
You misunderstand me... Etzel - 19/11/2009 06:16:31 PM 1380 Views
I doesn't make "sense". Let's leave it... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:19:52 PM 1319 Views
There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:46:29 PM 1520 Views
But Alivia (while strong in the OP) is an old fraile lady on her deathbed. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 09:41:33 PM 875 Views
Pardon? Don't understand this really. *NM* Etzel - 19/11/2009 11:45:21 AM 667 Views
You keep saying Alivia was "a common damane" darius_sedai - 28/11/2009 08:58:42 PM 1220 Views
You were right about Nynaeve, I was right about Graendal! Well done! Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:37:42 PM 1507 Views
Yes. This is one WoT debate coming to a close... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:54:06 PM 1243 Views
I have one problem with your list. Kaldric - 18/11/2009 06:36:02 PM 1452 Views
RJ said the Forsaken ALWAYS overrate themselves... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:54:45 PM 1323 Views
I totally agree. Mesaana is weaker than Semirhage. This was also confirmed by BS *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 06:56:30 PM 754 Views
Mesaana is cold and calculating. Kaldric - 18/11/2009 07:03:49 PM 1401 Views
I'm sorry, but I find it mindblowing that you find this mindblowing. TaskmasterJack - 18/11/2009 06:36:37 PM 1413 Views
Some of us have been debating this for 5 years on Wotmania... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:57:08 PM 1444 Views
I think it goes like this: Logain - 18/11/2009 06:53:07 PM 1434 Views
There is a side effect to all of this rearrangement...we may have to rethink the wonder girls. Logain - 18/11/2009 07:04:17 PM 1447 Views
We'll have to re-read the sections where Moghedien is captured. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/11/2009 07:08:07 PM 1348 Views
Damn. That's a thought I definitely DON'T relish. Thankfully... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:09:18 PM 1410 Views
Helpless at her strength at the time, or helpless at Egwene's full potential? *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 07:26:15 PM 772 Views
Egwene was forced, so she was already at her full potential when she made this comment. *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:45:08 PM 771 Views
I admit she was forced, but how does that guarantee she was at full strength? *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 08:06:40 PM 784 Views
I'm 90% sure it is stated somewhere... *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:10:03 PM 768 Views
Egwene was at her full strength. Elayne comments on this in The Shadow Rising IIRC. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/11/2009 08:34:37 PM 1464 Views
She only says that Egwene is stronger and had been forced darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 01:54:56 AM 1444 Views
Where does she say this? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:54:39 PM 1390 Views
No, she explicitly refers to herself vs Moghedien... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:01:53 PM 1398 Views
Here are the quotes... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:24:24 PM 1693 Views
Oh come on. You're totally twisting that passage to suit your argument... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:54:56 PM 1317 Views
I could say the same... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 10:50:44 PM 1340 Views
So let me get this straight... Shannow - 19/11/2009 06:44:03 AM 1413 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 07:37:29 AM 1429 Views
Look at it this way... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:23:06 AM 1442 Views
Dude, there were other quotes... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:15:32 PM 1270 Views
What about Sammael? The debate about Sammael and Rahvin has been decided now too. Logain - 18/11/2009 08:03:35 PM 1492 Views
Totally disagree... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:08:34 PM 1520 Views
Re: Totally disagree... Logain - 18/11/2009 08:22:07 PM 1388 Views
Males likely go like this... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:27:27 PM 1399 Views
Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 1370 Views
Disagree... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:09:45 PM 1434 Views
Disagree back... for the last time though... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:39:25 PM 1288 Views
About the top 6... Shannow - 18/11/2009 10:08:37 PM 1401 Views
And One Power Battles turn political on a regualr basis, do they? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 10:54:35 PM 1428 Views
That's ridiculous... Shannow - 19/11/2009 07:19:08 AM 1356 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 08:08:14 AM 1411 Views
Well... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:29:45 AM 1409 Views
This is getting idiotic... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:19:08 PM 1357 Views
Re: Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 07:31:18 PM 1366 Views
If Rahvin were stronger... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:59:32 PM 1319 Views
Graendal could not face down Rand. And if she thinks she can it is b/c she has an angreal. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 09:49:00 PM 718 Views
But Rand did not know of her angreal. *NM* fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 12:03:21 AM 753 Views
Rand knows he can beat Graendal in a heads-up-duel. Graendal knows she would lose. *NM* Logain - 28/11/2009 10:07:27 PM 787 Views
Disagreement Corwin - 19/11/2009 01:39:49 AM 1478 Views
Some more from Brandon... kcf - 19/11/2009 04:29:41 AM 1358 Views
So we're back where we started? fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 04:56:36 AM 1140 Views
Re: So we're back where we started? kcf - 19/11/2009 05:18:15 AM 1484 Views
Someone must ask him: Is Cyndane one of the 6 above Nynaeve. Shannow - 19/11/2009 05:35:10 AM 1320 Views
My opinion: down this path lies insanity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/11/2009 02:53:59 PM 1464 Views
Thoughts Heiko - 19/11/2009 04:55:09 AM 1492 Views
Re: Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 07:55:51 PM 1331 Views
we know from a direcet quote in TPoD that Nynaeve had not yet reached full strength darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:36:50 PM 1334 Views
Re: we know from a direcet quote in TPoD that Nynaeve had not yet reached full strength The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:17:48 PM 1381 Views
winning in TAR had nothing to do with OP strength... that was pure skill and later Moghedien lost! darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 04:14:26 PM 1312 Views
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