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Re: How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... Sidious Send a noteboard - 21/11/2009 10:55:47 AM

About your last sentence. Who says Graendal and Semirhage are not on the same level? Give me one quote that proves otherwise?

In fact, give me a convincing argument that even strongly SUGGESTS otherwise?


I was talking about Cyndane.

We don't have a single comparative quote between Graendal and Semirhage, or even between Graendal and Nynaeve, which would allow us to extrapolate to Semirhage.


Well exactly! So what's all this crap about the thematic significance of Semirhage being stronger than Cyndane. Even you admit that Semirhage is an enigma.


I just chuckled to myself at your last comment.

May I ask then, after admitting what you just did in that last paragraph, on what possible basis do you put Graendal THREE LEVELS higher than Semirhage?


Graendal is of very rare strength and therefore one of the stronger Forsaken women. Therefore she is one of the few Forsaken who exceeds Nynaeve. Nynaeve is stronger than Semirhage in all probability according to Brandon. Someryn from her quotes is probably one of the six because of her quotes on her strength, but she implies that Graendal exceeds her.

So there, that's my short story on why they're separated by THREE LEVELS ... what makes you sure that Semirhage is strong in the Power except for her being respected - a fact which I find flawed in any case.

I don't understand you, Shannow. It's like you can't comprehend that someone like Semirhage might not be close to top strength in saidar. If she was as strong as Moiraine she'd still be a legendary torturer, you know. It's her craft that makes her deadly. No one has ever referred to her strength. Even Lews Therin said that her reputation as a torturer loomed so heavily that he forgot how dangerous she was otherwise. Aginor is immensely strong in saidin, but he's a weak personality and Graendal mocks him, and Demandred. I've never found strength extrapolations like this to be useful.
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