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Re: I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. taura-tierno Send a noteboard - 30/12/2009 12:37:40 AM


Lanfear / Alivia / (unnamed character option 1)
Sharina / Talaan / Someryn / (unnamed character option 2)
Semirhage / Nynaeve / Cyndane option 1
Graendal option 1 / Cyndane option 2 / Mesaana option 1
Graendal option 2/ Mesaana option 2
Moghedien





I would make my list more like this:

1 Lanfear, possibly Sharina &/or Alivia
2 Cyndane, possibly Sharina & Alivia
3 Graendal, Nynaeve
4 Semirhage, Someryn, Talaan
5 Mesaana
6 Moghedien

Lanfear's position is given. Cyndane's second, partly because I believe she's needed for the 6 stronger than Nyn (without adding too many new names to the list), and partly because she's stronger than Graendal, and I believe that Graendal is strong.

I've noticed that many people have questioned that placement of Cyndane, because it would make no real difference and thus, plot-wise, it doesn't make any sense. I do, however, believe that having Cyndane still being one of the strongest more proves how much stronger Lanfear was - if she can be weakened, and still be extremely strong, it's quite a statement to her original strength.

Since we now know that only 6 women are stronger than Nyaneve, and that she's probably stronger than Semirhage, even if it's a close call, that means Nyn is either on level 4 or 3. It might be that she's at the bottom of the 3rd, and Semirhage is at the top of the 4th. Or that they are both 3's, but with a slight difference in strength. I've decided to place Nynaeve on 3 and Semi on 4, but I'm definitely open to alternate solutions.

I do not believe that Graendal's thoughts about Cyndane were exagerration. I cannot quantify it, since it's more a feeling than anything else, though. I've chosen to put her at level 3, since my interpretation of her encounter with Someryn is that Someryin is not stronger than her. "Not negligible" doesn't sound like a "OMG she's stronger than me!" but more like a "She's strong enough that she might be a threat, but isn't one right now". If the were of equal strength, or if Someryn were stronger, Graendal should have felt more alarmed by the encounter, especially considering her reaction to Cyndane being stronger - almost as if she had been slapped in the face, with all the "very few were ever stronger than me"-attitude. Since there was no such attitude towards Someryn, my guess is that she's weaker, but not by much.

Concerning Talaan, I agree with those who claim that she's closer to her potential than Nynaeve, since she's been actively channelling a lot for several years more, and it's possible that the Windfinders push their students harder than Nynaeve has been pushed, since she hasn't been pushed at all until late in the series. So I've placed her one level below Nyaneve, but I would not argue against the two of them having the same potential.

Since we haven't seen any comparison between Sharina and Alivia, I've chosen to put them either at level 1 or 2. I don't think they're both on level 1 - either both are on 2, or there's one on each. I definitely don't see anything unreasonable with placing another channeller at the female maximum - Lanfear can't be the ONLY one ever to have been that strong. But I doubt we'll see many more there. Either way, we just don't know anything else than the fact that they're both stronger than Nynaeve. That Alivia was referred to as "significantly stronger" doesn't feel quite relevant - what's significant or not is an opinion, not pure fact.

On level 5 we have Mesaana, since BS mentioned that she's weak by Forsaken standards, but she's still stronger than Moghedien, who's at 6.
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Female Forsaken strength : a new post - 19/11/2009 04:12:35 PM 1562 Views
Except... - 19/11/2009 04:26:32 PM 615 Views
There's no evidence for that - 19/11/2009 04:31:17 PM 578 Views
It's common sense - 19/11/2009 04:40:01 PM 551 Views
No, it's based on absolutely nothing - 19/11/2009 04:50:30 PM 584 Views
If you agree that there are stronger damane than Alivia... - 19/11/2009 05:00:05 PM 510 Views
I didn't say that - 19/11/2009 05:07:33 PM 523 Views
Well, I think you are wrong... - 19/11/2009 05:35:27 PM 490 Views
Glad to have you back. Now for the arguments to start! - 19/11/2009 04:29:01 PM 628 Views
Hmm... - 19/11/2009 04:47:12 PM 628 Views
Actually, you are the one placing Lanfear immensely high, my list reduced the strength difference... - 19/11/2009 05:05:18 PM 706 Views
But I'm not - 19/11/2009 05:17:05 PM 603 Views
Let me ask you this... - 19/11/2009 10:13:12 PM 645 Views
Very good point *NM* - 20/11/2009 01:38:55 AM 274 Views
One possibility - 20/11/2009 03:18:55 AM 557 Views
All assumption - 20/11/2009 04:11:20 AM 499 Views
Why introduce that concept, if it is just of academic importance? - 20/11/2009 07:41:54 AM 480 Views
You don't know the significance of it at all - 20/11/2009 03:14:46 PM 587 Views
Why? - 20/11/2009 03:17:51 PM 1109 Views
Re: Why? - 20/11/2009 04:30:50 PM 469 Views
How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... - 20/11/2009 05:07:39 PM 510 Views
Re: How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... - 21/11/2009 10:55:47 AM 485 Views
Is Graendal the only Forsaken NOT to overstate her own ability then? - 21/11/2009 01:53:28 PM 603 Views
Probably not in this case - 21/11/2009 11:34:25 PM 487 Views
Your rankings hinge ENTIRELY on whether you have Graendal correctly placed. - 20/11/2009 03:24:22 PM 443 Views
Yeah... entirely - 20/11/2009 04:33:45 PM 460 Views
Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. - 20/11/2009 09:57:52 PM 486 Views
Re: Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. - 21/11/2009 10:48:16 AM 548 Views
Re: Let me ask you this... - 23/12/2009 04:30:27 PM 516 Views
*correction*Re: Let me ask you this... - 23/12/2009 04:32:02 PM 486 Views
my comments w/ edit - 19/11/2009 04:37:27 PM 570 Views
Re: my comments w/ edit - 19/11/2009 04:54:30 PM 634 Views
Re: my comments w/ edit - 23/12/2009 04:42:15 PM 437 Views
What ever happened to all teh info from wotmania? Especially the FAQs? *NM* - 19/11/2009 05:01:45 PM 356 Views
http://13depository.blogspot.com/ *NM* - 19/11/2009 05:31:01 PM 286 Views
Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post - 19/11/2009 05:39:10 PM 569 Views
Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post -- What about Dexterity?? - 19/11/2009 06:44:31 PM 590 Views
This perfectly matches my understanding of the situation. - 19/11/2009 07:06:31 PM 464 Views
Agreed! This make more sense than the previous list *NM* - 20/11/2009 12:07:37 AM 316 Views
Too many levels - 20/11/2009 01:48:24 AM 584 Views
You are completely right about too many levels. - 20/11/2009 04:17:17 AM 477 Views
21 levels is largely a myth - 20/11/2009 04:27:27 AM 470 Views
Re: 21 levels is largely a myth - 20/11/2009 01:51:17 PM 603 Views
Thanks for the post. Interesting stuff there. *NM* - 20/11/2009 03:14:12 PM 258 Views
That's good to know. - 20/11/2009 07:56:41 PM 447 Views
I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. - 20/11/2009 04:14:40 AM 576 Views
Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve - 28/11/2009 08:27:22 PM 597 Views
Re: Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve - 28/11/2009 10:05:15 PM 685 Views
Talaan has be channeling for 6 or 7 years - 28/11/2009 10:56:12 PM 504 Views
Re: I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. - 30/12/2009 12:37:40 AM 927 Views
Agree with nearly all - 20/11/2009 04:43:47 AM 469 Views
more hopefully to come - 20/11/2009 08:15:00 PM 449 Views
Thanks KCF, that's a great question to ask. - 20/11/2009 08:28:32 PM 673 Views
A little more evidence that Nynaeve is stronger than Semirhage - 29/11/2009 12:12:37 AM 467 Views
I agree that Graendal is the 2nd most powerful woman Forsaken - 29/11/2009 04:07:00 PM 440 Views
It's possible - 30/11/2009 08:23:28 PM 453 Views
Re: It's possible - 01/12/2009 06:18:56 PM 556 Views

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