We knew from before that:
a) You can Travel short distances without knowing a place (The first mention I can find is in aCoS, when Rand attacks Sammael)
b) When you Travel to a place, you learn it, so making a Gateway from that place is possible.
So, assume you're in a place you don't know. Typically, people would skim away from that place.
However, Rand uses points a and b in conjunction. He hops a short distance through a Gateway, and since he has Travelled to this new place, he knows it enough to make a Gateway from there to anywhere.
There are, however, obvious reasons why this cannot always be used. If you want a quick escape from a place, Gating into a nearby area, and then making a new one from there will take too long, and you'll still be in danger till you can get out of the second gateway.
Also, in a city, there's no way you can use this. Who knows what you'll cut into while making your first gateway?
a) You can Travel short distances without knowing a place (The first mention I can find is in aCoS, when Rand attacks Sammael)
b) When you Travel to a place, you learn it, so making a Gateway from that place is possible.
So, assume you're in a place you don't know. Typically, people would skim away from that place.
However, Rand uses points a and b in conjunction. He hops a short distance through a Gateway, and since he has Travelled to this new place, he knows it enough to make a Gateway from there to anywhere.
There are, however, obvious reasons why this cannot always be used. If you want a quick escape from a place, Gating into a nearby area, and then making a new one from there will take too long, and you'll still be in danger till you can get out of the second gateway.
Also, in a city, there's no way you can use this. Who knows what you'll cut into while making your first gateway?
Travelling TO a place didn't make you suddenly know it in the earlier books. I refer to LoC, at Dumai's Wells.
Mazrim Taim has just arrived by gateway and fought off the Shaido. He is speaking to Rand:
"My lord Dragon," he said in a tight voice, "I would say there are still several hundred Shaido women out there, some not insignificant it seems. And that is not to mention some thousands of Shaido with spears. Unless you truly want to find out whether you are immortal, I suggest waiting a few hours until we know this place well enough to make gateways with some certainty of where they will come out, then leaving."
The Ashaman had Travelled to Dumai's Wells. Yet they could not Travel FROM it until they had spent a few hours getting to know the place.
Therefore, it seems clear that Travelling TO a place, does not make you know it.
That's why the new Travelling trick in tGS does not make sense.
If the Forsaken really wanted to defeat the Light - gateways at the bottom of the ocean...
- 20/11/2009 02:02:59 PM
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I've actually thought that would be a great way to make a power plant.
- 20/11/2009 02:48:21 PM
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The Forsaken don't think like that
- 20/11/2009 02:57:27 PM
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I specifically referred to Ishamael, who shares none of those motivations with the other Forsaken...
- 20/11/2009 03:11:26 PM
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What in the world... outer space?? This is fantasy, not sci-fi 
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- 20/11/2009 03:08:26 PM
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- 20/11/2009 03:08:26 PM
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RJ has stated that channelers can Travel to other planets, even other solar systems...
- 20/11/2009 03:12:37 PM
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I didn't expect him to answer that question, it was just something I was wondering about
- 20/11/2009 04:06:53 PM
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OK...
- 20/11/2009 05:15:32 PM
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Moghedien talks about how they travelled to other stars in the Age of Legends...
- 20/11/2009 06:09:17 PM
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Because it is a world that is undergoing an industrial revolution
- 21/11/2009 01:19:28 AM
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This brings up an "Evil Wins, What Next?" scenario I've always wondered about
- 20/11/2009 03:39:14 PM
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The DO doesn't have the motivations of the forsaken, he doesn't think like a human...
- 22/11/2009 03:38:15 PM
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They would have to know the bottom of the ocean very well to create. *NM*
- 20/11/2009 05:02:50 PM
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Wouldn't be too hard, given Rand's trick. *NM*
- 20/11/2009 05:12:22 PM
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Intense preasure would kill you before you could weave or a hell of a shield bubble *NM*
- 20/11/2009 07:01:58 PM
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Gateway "magic" accounts for this, or most gateways would have STRONG breeze
- 20/11/2009 06:43:44 PM
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Very conducive places, the bottom of the sea and outer space...
- 20/11/2009 07:01:56 PM
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Knee jerk disagreement without thinking beyond: "I don't like the idea so let's flame it..."
- 20/11/2009 07:12:38 PM
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And your response is even sillier ideas? Think for more than three minutes before responding again.
- 20/11/2009 11:08:59 PM
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You need to go read FoH again...
- 21/11/2009 03:35:01 AM
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The Silliness Continues-Part IV of Shannow's crazy ways to commit suicide...
- 21/11/2009 05:44:34 AM
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On the limits of power
- 21/11/2009 07:32:44 AM
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Great question. These fundamental issues are the REAL challenges to be overcome, yes...
- 21/11/2009 07:50:46 AM
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Fluids CAN move across gateways on their own. We saw it with the draft of wind in tGS. *NM*
- 21/11/2009 01:32:46 PM
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Oh, and regarding the new Travelling skill Nynaeve mentions in tGS...
- 21/11/2009 08:03:45 AM
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Ah, thanks
- 21/11/2009 08:10:48 AM
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Actually, I just reread that passage, and now I'm confused again...
- 21/11/2009 08:30:17 AM
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Its pretty simple...
- 21/11/2009 08:07:14 PM
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You don't learn a place when you Travel TO it...
- 21/11/2009 08:23:11 PM
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The same issue again...
- 21/11/2009 08:58:37 PM
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They might have shared Gateways, so only those who wove them know the area? *NM*
- 21/11/2009 10:00:04 PM
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That has to be the first sensible question broached in this thread...
- 21/11/2009 09:18:59 PM
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- 21/11/2009 09:18:59 PM
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The simplest explanation'd be that GWs can't be opened in water, since it moves/changes constantly
- 20/11/2009 07:27:08 PM
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Or balefire Rand. Wait a few generations near Dragonmount, kidnap all children born on the slopes...
- 20/11/2009 09:07:46 PM
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Why didn't Frodo and Sam just ride the Eagles to Mt. Doom, and toss the Ring then fly back? *NM*
- 20/11/2009 10:35:17 PM
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Actually here's an even simpler idea: open a gateway into a Black Hole. *NM*
- 21/11/2009 01:53:38 AM
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You can't...there aren't any Black Holes close enough...
- 21/11/2009 03:22:38 AM
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Doubtful
- 21/11/2009 03:29:35 AM
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Surely Moridin could channel enough of the True Power... *NM*
- 21/11/2009 01:19:05 PM
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Moridin cannot channel any more of the True Power than he can of the One Power.
- 21/11/2009 01:58:30 PM
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