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Re: There are several holes with this scenario... Sidious Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 09:05:34 AM

This explains why Lan's bond was cut. Moiraine is still captive there and will be rescued by Thom, Mat and Noel in ToM. Moiraine will likely be healed by Finn at some point. Otherwise, she'll live a happy rest of her life with Tom as a non-channeler.


Indeed. Moiraine may return as a burned out channeler to live out the rest of her days with Thom. It would be an interesting revelation.

If she was burned out, Flin may well be unable to Heal her.


I agree, and we have Setalle Anan are reinforcement for this. RJ basically passed her by for Healing.

Also, I think the burning of the gateway is just as good an explanation for the snapping of the bond as being burned out.


IMO it's the most likely opinion of all.

This is the part I have the most trouble with.
1)I know BS said a burned out channeler remains so when transmigrated, but this doesn't make much sense to me. When a soul is Reborn, the damage done to its channeling ability in a previous life is erased. This implies that as soon as the soul is free of the body, its channeling ability is restored.


I agree, and I think BS is wrong. Aginor definitely burned himself out in EOTW, and Lews Therin most likely did too. I don't buy the idea that dying while overdrawing preserves the link because we have multiple quotes to show that burning out occurs prior to death, and the link is ruined after you overdraw.

I fail to see why the same won't be the case with transmigration. And the fact that Brandon isn't somewhat sure of this points to it not being significant in the whole Lanfear mystery.
2)Unless Moiraine somehow stilled Lanfear (or maybe the Finn did, though I don't see this being possible), Lanfear must have gotten burned out, by your theory. But we have no idea if burning out can be Healed. That is a pretty major assumption.


It is, and we don't know what happened.

3)Even if Lanfear was indeed Healed, her current strength makes no sense at all. Siuan says she has barely a lick of her former power. The same is definitely not true of Lanfear. Cyndane is weaker, but still astonishingly strong.


Not necessarily. You may lose a certain amount of strength if you're Healed by the same sex. That means that if Siuan had a strength of 25 and lost 10, she would be on 15, and thus a weak Aes Sedai. Lanfear on the other hand would go from 100 to 90, and still be one of the strongest women in the world.

4)It is unlikely that any of the Forsaken women Healed her. Mesaana tells Demandred she is weaker. If she was the one who Healed her, this would hardly be a surprise. Plus, she cannot Heal. Semirhage likely doesn't know the weave, and almost certainly wouldn't Heal her old enemy. Graendal is ruled out. Moggy is too, both because she cannot Heal and also because she saw Cyndane's cour-sourva on Moridin when she was taken by Shaidar Haran.


I agree - we actually have a quote from one of the Forsaken that states that only Semirhage has the Healing Talent. While she may have done it under orders from Moridin, she would never have remained silent on the topic, especially from her own PoV.

A Yellow from the Rebel camp is possible, but that still leaves us with Cyndane's strength as an issue.


If a DF Yellow Healed her, I'd be very surprised. Neither Aran'gar nor Mesaana have any clue about Cyndane and both are tied up in Salidar and the Tower. The only possibility is that Moridin directly brought a Yellow somewhere to do the deed.

This explanation is neither simple not reasonable. Questions abound, from whether Lanfear would be burned out when transmigrated, to how she can still be so strong.


In fact, there are many questions surrounding the whole episode. It involves two channelers, angreal, a ter'angreal and a parallel dimension. It also includes the fact that we know she survived initially, and now has a new body and a lower strength. There are questions on many levels to be answered.
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Moiraine and Lanfear kcf - 01/12/2009 10:24:54 PM 2080 Views
Healing, huh? Tansu Targli - 01/12/2009 10:58:00 PM 1352 Views
Re: Healing, huh? Nate - 01/12/2009 11:12:53 PM 1436 Views
yep kcf - 01/12/2009 11:19:23 PM 1272 Views
Re: yep darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 01:15:47 AM 1606 Views
Re: yep kcf - 02/12/2009 04:44:32 PM 1441 Views
Re: yep darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 05:37:41 PM 1183 Views
I'm betting she decides to stay a non-channeler and put her past behind her. *NM* RandAllThor - 01/12/2009 11:09:32 PM 769 Views
I don't think Moiraine was stilled. Gher - 01/12/2009 11:19:03 PM 1265 Views
what about Lan's bond kcf - 01/12/2009 11:23:35 PM 1253 Views
I think that the doorway melting did that. Gher - 02/12/2009 12:49:02 AM 1337 Views
Not manually Knightscape - 02/12/2009 07:13:09 AM 1158 Views
Not sure, but it seemed like she planned for it. At one point BlackAdder - 02/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 1180 Views
Rand wasn't stilled when beetnemesis - 02/12/2009 06:48:42 AM 1189 Views
The doorway melting and snapping the bond is simple enough for me *NM* Deadsy - 01/12/2009 11:24:07 PM 611 Views
as I said above, far too many assumptions in that idea *NM* kcf - 01/12/2009 11:27:12 PM 652 Views
Re: Moiraine and Lanfear Fred Gaidin - 01/12/2009 11:27:49 PM 1215 Views
Not just an assumption. Tansu Targli - 01/12/2009 11:38:56 PM 1301 Views
Re: Not just an assumption. Fred Gaidin - 02/12/2009 02:45:26 PM 1222 Views
it can kcf - 01/12/2009 11:40:40 PM 1275 Views
Re: it can Fred Gaidin - 02/12/2009 02:51:21 PM 1384 Views
I think that since Moiraine was in another dimension, the Bond passed to the closest holder. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2009 11:43:15 PM 1245 Views
but she'd been there before kcf - 01/12/2009 11:51:41 PM 1315 Views
I don't understand why you think there are too many assumptions darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 12:57:50 AM 1297 Views
Exactly. Thanks for translating in fewer words than I would have used *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2009 04:21:06 PM 716 Views
that assumes quite a bit about the structure of the bond kcf - 02/12/2009 07:45:37 PM 1338 Views
no more than the assumptions of the actions take on the other side of the door! darius_sedai - 03/12/2009 07:51:59 AM 1342 Views
My only complaint... Rand al'Thor - 02/12/2009 12:34:34 AM 1220 Views
Best. Slashfic. EVER! The Name With No Man - 02/12/2009 12:38:06 AM 1371 Views
BS not committing to the Cyndane = Lanfear scenario has me wondering as well Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 02:51:30 AM 1464 Views
The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear" Tom - 02/12/2009 05:26:23 AM 1223 Views
Re: The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear" AliasRY - 02/12/2009 05:46:30 AM 1283 Views
That would be absolutely hilarious!!! *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 05:49:01 AM 636 Views
That'd blow some minds. *NM* Gher - 02/12/2009 05:56:06 AM 656 Views
Maybe they put some of Ilyena in Cyndane. Joel - 04/12/2009 06:52:01 PM 1267 Views
LOL ... Lanfear doesn't need Ilyena to be an LTT stalker! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 07:09:02 PM 1227 Views
Right, But Ilyena Doesn't Need Lanfear for That Either. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 07:17:29 PM 1238 Views
I'm 99.99% sure RJ said that the DO had to grab a soul quickly after death or it was lost darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 09:13:18 PM 1091 Views
Never Said It Had to Be the DO. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 09:43:58 PM 1085 Views
it would indeed be a totall shocker! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 09:50:16 PM 1371 Views
Weird is a given, I think Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 07:12:45 AM 1355 Views
It may be as simple as... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 09:42:50 AM 1166 Views
I didn't see any sexual connotation attached to it.... Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 10:38:07 AM 1156 Views
Not sexual, no... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 06:12:15 PM 1166 Views
Cairheinin to the Core. Joel - 04/12/2009 07:03:23 PM 1217 Views
Haven't you people ever seen a contortionist? darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 07:12:20 PM 1108 Views
I Don't Believe I Have, Now That You Mention It. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 07:18:32 PM 1154 Views
See Above. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 06:54:47 PM 1323 Views
I doubt it kcf - 02/12/2009 08:55:23 PM 1200 Views
Maybe it's a wild goose chase. Joel - 04/12/2009 06:44:55 PM 1363 Views
There are several holes with this scenario... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 02:18:28 AM 1362 Views
On Transmitigation vs rebirth: Gher - 02/12/2009 02:35:23 AM 1656 Views
Agreed, the angreal theory seems most likely IMO (about Lanfear/Cyndane) *NM* Lord Haart - 02/12/2009 05:39:55 AM 595 Views
Re: There are several holes with this scenario... Sidious - 02/12/2009 09:05:34 AM 1398 Views
On Cyndane's strength... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 09:40:27 AM 1069 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... Sidious - 02/12/2009 11:24:38 AM 1123 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 06:16:57 PM 1159 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... Sidious - 03/12/2009 04:39:45 AM 1352 Views
But that doesn't explain why Leane and Siuan are now essentially equal darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:21:47 PM 1186 Views
oops I double posted this! *NM* darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:23:02 PM 603 Views
I don't think they're equal Sidious - 03/12/2009 04:43:13 AM 1167 Views
There is no deference, which would be expected in their "game" of hating each other darius_sedai - 03/12/2009 07:38:57 AM 1371 Views
Re: There are several holes with this scenario... kcf - 02/12/2009 09:08:00 PM 1477 Views
I don't think they were stilled or burned out. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:37:09 AM 1109 Views
I have no opinion on the theory (yet), but Wotmaniac Reborn - 02/12/2009 04:42:36 AM 1139 Views
Disagree. There's no way they don't. Gher - 02/12/2009 05:26:00 AM 1166 Views
Moridin mentions it kcf - 02/12/2009 04:33:01 PM 1102 Views
Re: Moridin mentions it darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:13:20 PM 1158 Views
Moiraine will make a huge difference to TG (Min's viewing) so I think she will need to channel. *NM* Lord Haart - 02/12/2009 05:38:03 AM 625 Views
Min doesn't channel, and she makes a big difference. As does Thom. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 02/12/2009 09:57:10 AM 617 Views
agreed - Moiraine doesn't need to channel to make a difference *NM* kcf - 02/12/2009 04:38:50 PM 726 Views
Yub, I generally agree Etzel - 02/12/2009 11:56:03 AM 1091 Views
I'm always nervous when we agree kcf - 02/12/2009 04:24:51 PM 1164 Views
I think it's cool! Etzel - 02/12/2009 06:01:32 PM 1109 Views
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