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Verin didn't say it sarcastically. Darth_Katie Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 08:11:31 PM
And Verin reveals that she is BA with a statement that is obviously a lie "your dress is green" ... if an AS could say this sarcastically, why did Egwene immediately jump to the conclusion that Verin was not bound to the Oaths?


She said it as a plain statement, quite clearly different from Cadsuane.
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Cadsuane lies! darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:10:41 PM 2402 Views
Re: Cadsuane lies! joepo - 06/12/2009 06:18:39 PM 1625 Views
Sarcasm is one thing Ryan - 06/12/2009 06:43:12 PM 1306 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:51:27 PM 1275 Views
RJ has said they're allowed to be sarcastic TheCrownless - 06/12/2009 07:07:32 PM 1226 Views
How does that jive with the Oaths? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:13:21 PM 1285 Views
Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying *NM* Deadsy - 06/12/2009 07:53:31 PM 600 Views
Re: Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying DomA - 06/12/2009 08:03:36 PM 1348 Views
Yes, she did state it. Deadsy - 06/12/2009 08:57:47 PM 1248 Views
Re: Yes, she did state it. DomA - 07/12/2009 01:39:07 AM 1239 Views
Re: How does that jive with the Oaths? DomA - 06/12/2009 07:57:10 PM 1206 Views
The Oaths focus on INTENT beetnemesis - 06/12/2009 10:01:27 PM 1251 Views
None of what you describe is an Oath ingrained into your bones. darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 01:52:49 AM 1093 Views
It's ENTIRELY about self-rationalization Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 03:59:00 AM 1057 Views
^This. *NM* Nate - 07/12/2009 08:23:27 AM 652 Views
Because it isn't a lie DomA - 06/12/2009 07:44:29 PM 1277 Views
I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:08:15 PM 1258 Views
Verin didn't say it sarcastically. Darth_Katie - 06/12/2009 08:11:31 PM 1044 Views
Really? I never would have known that without you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:39:56 PM 1177 Views
Re: I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic DomA - 06/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 1283 Views
Quote for you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:42:52 PM 1219 Views
Re: Quote for you DomA - 07/12/2009 01:30:57 AM 1133 Views
The sarcasm was for him repeating himself to her. The "remember" is the part she's refering to. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 10:15:06 AM 1052 Views
That's why I think this example of sarcasm works as opposed to Cadsuane who makes a false statement darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 03:17:52 PM 1107 Views
sarcasm is sarcasm. In both instances their is technically a lie. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 11:28:02 PM 1062 Views
Not at all the case darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 11:58:42 PM 1123 Views
Do you really believe he waited till the last minute to tell Seonid? Onarishma - 14/12/2009 01:32:37 PM 1224 Views
That's the whole point of her being able to say what she did! darius_sedai - 14/12/2009 04:05:24 PM 1008 Views
What about the Sheriam thing? Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:49:32 PM 1159 Views
Re: What about the Sheriam thing? DomA - 07/12/2009 02:15:25 PM 1000 Views
But surely an Aes Sedai can answer a question she hasn't fully heard yet. Legolas - 07/12/2009 03:06:34 PM 1253 Views
I actually don't take it as proof. Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:00:58 PM 1070 Views
Yeah, I thought about that possibility too... Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:21:16 PM 1357 Views
Sarcasm Sidious - 06/12/2009 07:14:47 PM 1293 Views
It's obviously meant to be sarcasm, I just don't like darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:18:40 PM 1076 Views
Here is what RJ said about it Etzel - 06/12/2009 07:41:18 PM 1253 Views
Well I have to say I think RJ made the wrong call with this one *NM* darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:43:47 PM 537 Views
Like my momma used to say... Mat_Cauthon33 - 06/12/2009 11:27:22 PM 1164 Views
Your momma is a wise woman. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 1038 Views
Agreed. johnnymack - 07/12/2009 01:45:39 AM 1043 Views
You can already drive a truck through the oaths. Does this one additional tiny gap really matter? Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 04:07:16 AM 1095 Views
Alys (Moiraine alias) *NM* BlackAdder - 07/12/2009 05:13:18 AM 1399 Views
No, no it doesn't. johnnymack - 08/12/2009 03:31:11 PM 1040 Views
Re: No, no it doesn't. Nameless Ashaman - 08/12/2009 04:41:42 PM 1054 Views
what do you think a RL lie detector would tell in this case? redhand - 07/12/2009 12:27:07 PM 1041 Views
in RL you would get warned by the investigator to cooperate AgentOrange - 07/12/2009 01:04:33 PM 1062 Views
But how would the machine reading indicate? redhand - 07/12/2009 07:04:22 PM 1034 Views
Usually you're s'possed to answer with a yes or no. It's easy to tell when you're evasive AgentOrange - 09/12/2009 10:46:58 PM 1109 Views
Where's the problem? Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 04:18:40 PM 974 Views
It's in the way the Oath is worded darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 05:14:39 PM 1053 Views
Re: It's in the way the Oath is worded Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 05:36:59 PM 1087 Views
See the Cadsuane quote, but I'll give you another one darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 06:15:32 PM 1241 Views
PS You misread my original quote darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 11:00:56 PM 969 Views
You're so right. My fault. *NM* Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 12:57:29 AM 1020 Views
No worries! It a discussion forum, we're supposed to discuss darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 12:58:39 AM 1148 Views
Re: PS You misread my original quote taura-tierno - 28/12/2009 10:04:51 PM 1221 Views
Lies, untruths, sarcasm, and meaning Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 07:46:25 PM 1155 Views
We are starting understand each other darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 10:09:41 PM 1106 Views
Re: We are starting understand each other Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 01:03:08 AM 1022 Views
Completely agree darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 1092 Views
Why do you think she *had* noticed the Aiel? *NM* Lord Haart - 14/12/2009 02:02:24 PM 480 Views
because she arrived with Rand and dozens of Maidens, darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 01:02:43 AM 1007 Views
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