Re: I do agree with DomA and the others on the point that
Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 11/12/2009 08:20:19 AM
I really wouldn't mind that she believes her actions are justified, what irritates me is that she gladly moralises anybody else who does as she did.
What Egwene did was significantly different than what the BA hunters were doing, especially since they were in fact using the bonding to force women into actions they had no choice but to obey. Egwene's actions, where manipulative as hell, but the women she cornered were clearly (as evidenced by Beonin) not bound into effective slavery.
I won't make excuses for her, but I will say her actions were nothing in comparison to the 4th Oath. But I do agree that the interaction with the BA hunters should have been a thought provoking thing for Egwene and it was not.
Funny, seems to me Beonin is a fine example of how Egwene's bondage is no different. Her treason clearly demonstrates where her loyalties lie, she was with the Tower from the beginning, and returned to the Tower as soon as she could find a loophole out of her Oath. The fact that she couldn't do anything earlier, or that she feel to Egwene again later only demonstrates that she truly is Compelled.
The fact that Beonin managed to squirm away from Egwene's grasp for an instant is no more demonstrative that Egwene's bond is not slavery than the fact that Aes Sedai are deceitful as anything you can imagine is demonstrative that Aes Sedai can lie despite their Oath. The failures of the Compulsion do not remove from the act of Compulsion itself.
Now, that was different from the Fourth Oath in many ways, of course. There is no disputing that Elaida's ambitions were worse than Egwene's. But they are not so different that Egwene can be justified both in her revulsion at the Fourth Oath's concept, and in the validity of her own actions.
The Black Ajah Hunters situation is much clearer though. To purge the Black Ajah, the use of such criminal practices might be acceptable. 'Waah, waah, I want the power I feel I deserve' is not a valid reason, however.
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Egwene - hypocrite
10/12/2009 01:20:24 PM
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Not the same at all really
10/12/2009 02:12:36 PM
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I agree.
10/12/2009 03:03:49 PM
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What crime? Accepting her unethical promotions? Being afraid of the Hall's injustice?
10/12/2009 03:51:05 PM
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But...
10/12/2009 05:54:39 PM
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She threatened, or made an implied threat, to reveal what they had done.
17/12/2009 12:11:43 PM
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Re: What crime? Accepting her unethical promotions? Being afraid of the Hall's injustice?
10/12/2009 09:08:08 PM
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It does NOT violate Tower Law, as Myrelle herself said, and Siuan admits.
17/12/2009 12:23:25 PM
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I can't decide if you just don't understand the books at all
13/12/2009 05:14:22 AM
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I have doubts about RJ's brain if he actually believed some of the crap he has characters spew
17/12/2009 12:26:52 PM
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Let he who has no sin cast the first stone
10/12/2009 04:34:06 PM
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Not really
10/12/2009 03:06:30 PM
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But what the Amylin said is law, like how she raised those Accepted.
10/12/2009 04:42:51 PM
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Re: But what the Amylin said is law, like how she raised those Accepted.
10/12/2009 11:04:47 PM
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No she was right, and even her blackmail, as reprehensible as that was, was not an act of tyranny
10/12/2009 03:56:41 PM
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Actually, I agree.
10/12/2009 06:47:22 PM
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I like Egwene
10/12/2009 07:08:24 PM
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That really disappointed me.
10/12/2009 07:29:14 PM
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funny, I'm more of the mind set that both groups were right
11/12/2009 12:02:50 AM
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Not the problem.
11/12/2009 12:13:26 AM
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I do agree with DomA and the others on the point that
11/12/2009 07:13:31 AM
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Re: I do agree with DomA and the others on the point that
11/12/2009 08:20:19 AM
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*shrugs*
11/12/2009 02:06:47 PM
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You have no basis for that assertion.
11/12/2009 07:12:03 PM
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They refuse to reveal the Ajah Heads to Egwene, despite her express orders. Doubt Meidani could...
12/12/2009 09:44:23 AM
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Ah, true that.
12/12/2009 07:20:04 PM
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Who said she wasn't wrong?
12/12/2009 09:02:55 PM
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Re: Who said she wasn't wrong?
13/12/2009 04:16:56 AM
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Re: Who said she wasn't wrong?
13/12/2009 08:12:25 AM
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Re: Who said she wasn't wrong?
13/12/2009 07:35:10 PM
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I agree with most of your point
10/12/2009 09:49:18 PM
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Of course she is a hypocrite
11/12/2009 05:22:56 AM
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The same can be said of Nynaeve and Mat
11/12/2009 07:20:47 AM
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