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You have no basis for that assertion. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 11/12/2009 07:12:03 PM
Beonin would never have been able to go back to the Tower if she had taken an Oath on the rod... the fact that she had even enough wriggle room to avoid her oath of fealty to Egwene speaks volumes to me about the difference.


Unless the Oath she took on the Oath Rod was 'I will not go back to the Tower' you really don't have any reason to believe this. The loophole was that Beonin no longer saw Egwene as Amyrlin, therefore her Oath to the Amyrlin no longer held. Elaida's Fourth Oath had the exact same stipulation, so it had the exact same loophole.

Meidani was far more hedged in and if she had been given a direct order, say to jump up and down for 10 minutes, she would have had no choice but to comply. Beonin could refuse such an order if she believed that it was not something should be required to do.


Quotes or it didn't happen.

'Swearing fealty' is also exactly what the Aes Sedai sworn to Rand at Dumaï's Wells have done, you'll notice. See how often they do 'something they believe they should not be required to do'.

In some ways I applaud Egwene for being so machiavelian that she caught these women in their own plotting and was able to forge at least a semi-effective tool out of them. I also think the BA hunters did what needed to be done to root out the BA. But the question I have is why leave the 4th Oath on Meidani and the other moles when they've clearly proven that they are not BA and would be easy enough to simply blackmail into obedience.


I applaud Egwene to a similar degree that I applaud Elaida for getting herself elected Amyrlin Seat. Less, actually. Elaida stretched the limits of legality, Egwene completely disregarded them. I don't see anything especially impressive about Egwene in that scene - Siuan discovered what they were up too and informed Egwene, then she simply blackmailed them into obeying whatever she wanted. The only impressive thing, if you insist on calling it that, is that she stooped to using Compulsion, which no other Aes Sedai would have considered until Elaida herself.

I guess you applaud Egwene because she made it work, whereas Elaida failed? But that is not the criticism that Egwene levels against Elaida. She says the act itself is unacceptable, not the fact that she got caught.
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