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yet RJ has said flat out that OP strength is on an Bell Curve. Meaning the majority of channelers darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 21/12/2009 07:36:22 AM
You know, the bell curve is symmetrcial. That means, channeler as strong as Lanfear should be rare, as rare as channelers as weak as Morgase. Somehow, I don't believe that is the case.

The bell curve describes human height reasonable well. But it is completely incorrect describing people's income or wealth. There, the power law distribution works much better. If you consider the 21 levels as an salary grade, the progression would be separated more and more, the higher you go up, like 30,000 40,000 55,000 75,000 100,000 150,000, 200,000 etc.

In that kind of scale, Egwene being as strong as two lower strength channelers combined do not post much problem at all.


cluster to the middle, on a 100 point scale that's 50. That is the scale, just because people want to assume the Forsaken are VASTLY stronger than others, despite any number of instances when we see that is not the cast does not make it any different.
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I've been playing with some numbers since we've been having all of these OP strength debates darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 06:34:05 PM 1533 Views
There are 21 levels, not 100. More later. *NM* fionwe1987 - 20/12/2009 07:23:18 PM 582 Views
RJ has said a number of times that the 21 level scale darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 07:35:25 PM 919 Views
Few glaring errors... Shannow - 20/12/2009 09:04:55 PM 1093 Views
Re: Few glaring errors... darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 07:52:18 AM 1050 Views
You don't get it, do you... Shannow - 21/12/2009 08:19:00 AM 1024 Views
Didn't you claim that Eggy+Rom+Lel cannot match a male forsaken? Now they can match Lanfear? fionwe1987 - 21/12/2009 04:14:32 PM 909 Views
That only strengthens my point. Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:23:39 PM 961 Views
No it does not. fionwe1987 - 28/12/2009 02:45:42 AM 1015 Views
What you are missing is that darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 06:46:04 PM 966 Views
I'm not missing it at all.. Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:58:04 PM 995 Views
Let's try matching that with the actual text darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 03:01:36 PM 963 Views
Not correct... Shannow - 22/12/2009 03:29:24 PM 1043 Views
Believe as you like, I'm not here to convince you to otherwise, I'm stating how I read the evidence darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 06:01:24 PM 934 Views
You're reading the evidence wrong. Shannow - 22/12/2009 06:27:17 PM 944 Views
RJ also pointed out that Alivia's skill set as a weapon came in handy darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 07:40:35 PM 942 Views
I thought a power law distribution is much more likely, TBH redhand - 20/12/2009 09:39:21 PM 1019 Views
Yes. It essentially refers to a skewed histogram - biased to the lower end of the range... Shannow - 20/12/2009 09:53:18 PM 1047 Views
Corrections Shadowkiller - 21/12/2009 01:48:43 AM 1079 Views
No... Shannow - 21/12/2009 07:47:58 AM 975 Views
True, the application of this model is inconsistent *NM* Shadowkiller - 21/12/2009 02:34:26 PM 695 Views
Not if you point out that the average AS is not as strong as the overall average channeler darius_sedai - 25/12/2009 04:30:17 AM 934 Views
yet RJ has said flat out that OP strength is on an Bell Curve. Meaning the majority of channelers darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 07:36:22 AM 918 Views
Perhaps... Phelix - 21/12/2009 07:52:13 AM 1031 Views
I've always hated bell curves Ryan - 21/12/2009 03:56:26 PM 948 Views
The most logical answer is that the average AOL channeler was stronger than the current average... Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:36:07 PM 989 Views
and that in no way maps to any kind of Bell Curve darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 06:02:41 PM 813 Views
Why? Shannow - 22/12/2009 06:34:25 PM 946 Views
Can you provide the quote where RJ tells us the darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 07:45:04 PM 860 Views
Always go back to the evidence... Shannow - 22/12/2009 09:03:42 PM 1017 Views
I'll respond when you can actually provide a few actual quotes to support any of this darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 03:20:44 PM 908 Views
Name an item you dispute and I will provide the quote.... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:19:49 PM 916 Views
it's addressed below darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:23:58 PM 925 Views
I've been looking into this a bit... and you really do overstate things to suit your arguments darius_sedai - 24/12/2009 06:15:44 PM 950 Views
And in looking for quotes for another thread I came across this gem darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:54:34 PM 937 Views
Nice! It proves what I've been saying for ages... fionwe1987 - 29/12/2009 10:13:41 PM 958 Views
Which is why I contend that they are about 80% of Lanfear darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 10:16:07 PM 952 Views
I wasn't trying to rip him a new one. Phelix - 22/12/2009 09:38:43 PM 838 Views
I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 988 Views
Except that gateway size is used multiple times by characters to judge comparative strength... Shannow - 22/12/2009 09:21:07 PM 981 Views
Re: Except that gateway size is used multiple times by characters to judge comparative strength... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/12/2009 11:32:21 PM 1073 Views
I agree that it's practically impossible to determine strength darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 03:19:49 PM 949 Views
How convenient. And by the way, it is NOT tied to a Talent. Anyone who is strong enough, can Travel. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 04:36:24 PM 515 Views
Seriously go re-read the series, how can you have missed that Traveling is a Talent? darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 04:54:51 PM 850 Views
It is a weave, the knowledge of which guarantees that you can use it, if you are strong enough... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:35:36 PM 960 Views
Yet every AS can Heal to a degree and Cloud Dancing involves weaves too darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:41:42 PM 970 Views
Lews Therin can't Heal. Aginor can't Heal. If you don't have the Talent, you can't do it. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:52:02 PM 550 Views
LTT and Aginor have "Little Ability" with Healing darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:02:13 PM 1025 Views
Because the channelers THEMSELVES don't use Healing to judge each other's strength... Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:06:58 PM 904 Views
The Channelers state that there is a minimum level of strength to make the Weave work darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:11:55 PM 1076 Views
Beonin's Gateway darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:30:25 PM 932 Views
No, it makes her 25% as strong as Rand! Thanks for proving my model to be virtually perfect! Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:36:53 PM 890 Views
Nope, Beonin shouldn't be that strong! darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:48:30 PM 874 Views
This is true, however... lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:55:48 PM 1010 Views
Aviendha's gateway size doesn't decrease. She is just less energy efficient in creating it... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:30:17 PM 1366 Views
Aviendha is suffering from the second weave limitation darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:37:45 PM 1031 Views
Conceded. My faulty memory is to blame in this case. But it doesn't change the rule... Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:01:33 PM 881 Views
I'll give you that there is a stength limitation to Traveling darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:06:41 PM 877 Views
Why do the characters in the books judge each other's strength on gateway size then? *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:08:17 PM 486 Views
Re: Why do the characters in the books judge each other's strength on gateway size then? darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:20:18 PM 908 Views
And there you have it...Thank you. Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:27:24 PM 935 Views
And linked with Romanda and Lelaine darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:34:42 PM 912 Views
Sorry. That's pure speculation on your part. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:38:43 PM 492 Views
No more than yours is! darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:49:57 PM 924 Views
That entire passage is in the context of strength... Shannow - 23/12/2009 07:55:50 PM 825 Views
You need to re-read some of this stuff darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 11:01:15 PM 1030 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:38:43 PM 933 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population *NM* Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:41:01 PM 475 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 06:37:50 PM 944 Views
Goodness Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:37:23 AM 937 Views
I'm working within the context of what we've been told by the author darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:43:31 AM 879 Views
Since you love Wiki so much darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:55:09 AM 883 Views
No you are not Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:58:28 AM 952 Views
Dude we're discussion works of fiction darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 04:08:12 AM 1003 Views
Dumb Bell Distribution of Mongoloid Turings Abunderment - 31/12/2009 04:36:50 AM 1035 Views
Back to school AS, and you will be able to do this Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:34:39 PM 908 Views
The problem we're working with is that RJ says strength follows a Bell Curve distribution darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 03:29:26 PM 930 Views
And RJ knew his maths (and you don't) Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:22:09 AM 958 Views
I'm not the one who said OP strength followed a Bell Curve Distribution darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:34:55 AM 925 Views
You are the one who is MIS-USING his statement Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:44:26 AM 904 Views
darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:48:20 AM 1185 Views
The pathos of Darius Abunderment - 31/12/2009 04:26:15 AM 945 Views
Is Lanfear the strongest?(now) knightmarea7x - 29/12/2009 12:46:13 AM 840 Views
Re: Is Lanfear the strongest?(now) darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:21:47 PM 930 Views
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