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Name an item you dispute and I will provide the quote.... Shannow Send a noteboard - 23/12/2009 05:19:49 PM
Seriously, do you actually dispute that the evidence I provide exists? Like the fact that Aviendha created a gateway in FoH? Or the fact that Lanfear defeated Egwene and Aviendha combined with contemptuous ease?

Or the fact that Egwene was stronger than Moiraine when Rand manhandled her and Elayne in tSR?

Surely you recall these incidents clearly. If not, point to an item you dispute and I will back it up with a direct quote.

Honestly, I wouldn't think it is necesarry, given the high profile of the scenes we are talking about.
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I've been playing with some numbers since we've been having all of these OP strength debates darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 06:34:05 PM 1575 Views
There are 21 levels, not 100. More later. *NM* fionwe1987 - 20/12/2009 07:23:18 PM 603 Views
RJ has said a number of times that the 21 level scale darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 07:35:25 PM 962 Views
Few glaring errors... Shannow - 20/12/2009 09:04:55 PM 1138 Views
Re: Few glaring errors... darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 07:52:18 AM 1088 Views
You don't get it, do you... Shannow - 21/12/2009 08:19:00 AM 1073 Views
Didn't you claim that Eggy+Rom+Lel cannot match a male forsaken? Now they can match Lanfear? fionwe1987 - 21/12/2009 04:14:32 PM 946 Views
That only strengthens my point. Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:23:39 PM 1010 Views
No it does not. fionwe1987 - 28/12/2009 02:45:42 AM 1052 Views
What you are missing is that darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 06:46:04 PM 1008 Views
I'm not missing it at all.. Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:58:04 PM 1040 Views
Let's try matching that with the actual text darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 03:01:36 PM 1002 Views
Not correct... Shannow - 22/12/2009 03:29:24 PM 1085 Views
Believe as you like, I'm not here to convince you to otherwise, I'm stating how I read the evidence darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 06:01:24 PM 972 Views
You're reading the evidence wrong. Shannow - 22/12/2009 06:27:17 PM 981 Views
RJ also pointed out that Alivia's skill set as a weapon came in handy darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 07:40:35 PM 984 Views
I thought a power law distribution is much more likely, TBH redhand - 20/12/2009 09:39:21 PM 1058 Views
Yes. It essentially refers to a skewed histogram - biased to the lower end of the range... Shannow - 20/12/2009 09:53:18 PM 1091 Views
Corrections Shadowkiller - 21/12/2009 01:48:43 AM 1121 Views
No... Shannow - 21/12/2009 07:47:58 AM 1022 Views
True, the application of this model is inconsistent *NM* Shadowkiller - 21/12/2009 02:34:26 PM 714 Views
Not if you point out that the average AS is not as strong as the overall average channeler darius_sedai - 25/12/2009 04:30:17 AM 972 Views
yet RJ has said flat out that OP strength is on an Bell Curve. Meaning the majority of channelers darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 07:36:22 AM 955 Views
Perhaps... Phelix - 21/12/2009 07:52:13 AM 1068 Views
I've always hated bell curves Ryan - 21/12/2009 03:56:26 PM 1006 Views
The most logical answer is that the average AOL channeler was stronger than the current average... Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:36:07 PM 1030 Views
and that in no way maps to any kind of Bell Curve darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 06:02:41 PM 869 Views
Why? Shannow - 22/12/2009 06:34:25 PM 997 Views
Can you provide the quote where RJ tells us the darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 07:45:04 PM 907 Views
Always go back to the evidence... Shannow - 22/12/2009 09:03:42 PM 1060 Views
I'll respond when you can actually provide a few actual quotes to support any of this darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 03:20:44 PM 941 Views
Name an item you dispute and I will provide the quote.... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:19:49 PM 948 Views
it's addressed below darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:23:58 PM 966 Views
I've been looking into this a bit... and you really do overstate things to suit your arguments darius_sedai - 24/12/2009 06:15:44 PM 985 Views
And in looking for quotes for another thread I came across this gem darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:54:34 PM 984 Views
Nice! It proves what I've been saying for ages... fionwe1987 - 29/12/2009 10:13:41 PM 1001 Views
Which is why I contend that they are about 80% of Lanfear darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 10:16:07 PM 990 Views
I wasn't trying to rip him a new one. Phelix - 22/12/2009 09:38:43 PM 880 Views
I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 1035 Views
Except that gateway size is used multiple times by characters to judge comparative strength... Shannow - 22/12/2009 09:21:07 PM 1027 Views
Re: Except that gateway size is used multiple times by characters to judge comparative strength... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/12/2009 11:32:21 PM 1112 Views
I agree that it's practically impossible to determine strength darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 03:19:49 PM 992 Views
How convenient. And by the way, it is NOT tied to a Talent. Anyone who is strong enough, can Travel. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 04:36:24 PM 533 Views
Seriously go re-read the series, how can you have missed that Traveling is a Talent? darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 04:54:51 PM 891 Views
It is a weave, the knowledge of which guarantees that you can use it, if you are strong enough... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:35:36 PM 1000 Views
Yet every AS can Heal to a degree and Cloud Dancing involves weaves too darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:41:42 PM 1013 Views
Lews Therin can't Heal. Aginor can't Heal. If you don't have the Talent, you can't do it. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:52:02 PM 570 Views
LTT and Aginor have "Little Ability" with Healing darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:02:13 PM 1069 Views
Because the channelers THEMSELVES don't use Healing to judge each other's strength... Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:06:58 PM 947 Views
The Channelers state that there is a minimum level of strength to make the Weave work darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:11:55 PM 1122 Views
Beonin's Gateway darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:30:25 PM 980 Views
No, it makes her 25% as strong as Rand! Thanks for proving my model to be virtually perfect! Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:36:53 PM 924 Views
Nope, Beonin shouldn't be that strong! darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:48:30 PM 910 Views
This is true, however... lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:55:48 PM 1054 Views
Aviendha's gateway size doesn't decrease. She is just less energy efficient in creating it... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:30:17 PM 1434 Views
Aviendha is suffering from the second weave limitation darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:37:45 PM 1071 Views
Conceded. My faulty memory is to blame in this case. But it doesn't change the rule... Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:01:33 PM 920 Views
I'll give you that there is a stength limitation to Traveling darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:06:41 PM 918 Views
Why do the characters in the books judge each other's strength on gateway size then? *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:08:17 PM 502 Views
Re: Why do the characters in the books judge each other's strength on gateway size then? darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:20:18 PM 947 Views
And there you have it...Thank you. Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:27:24 PM 973 Views
And linked with Romanda and Lelaine darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:34:42 PM 956 Views
Sorry. That's pure speculation on your part. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:38:43 PM 508 Views
No more than yours is! darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:49:57 PM 958 Views
That entire passage is in the context of strength... Shannow - 23/12/2009 07:55:50 PM 865 Views
You need to re-read some of this stuff darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 11:01:15 PM 1070 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:38:43 PM 971 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population *NM* Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:41:01 PM 494 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 06:37:50 PM 986 Views
Goodness Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:37:23 AM 977 Views
I'm working within the context of what we've been told by the author darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:43:31 AM 921 Views
Since you love Wiki so much darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:55:09 AM 924 Views
No you are not Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:58:28 AM 992 Views
Dude we're discussion works of fiction darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 04:08:12 AM 1044 Views
Dumb Bell Distribution of Mongoloid Turings Abunderment - 31/12/2009 04:36:50 AM 1079 Views
Back to school AS, and you will be able to do this Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:34:39 PM 947 Views
The problem we're working with is that RJ says strength follows a Bell Curve distribution darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 03:29:26 PM 974 Views
And RJ knew his maths (and you don't) Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:22:09 AM 997 Views
I'm not the one who said OP strength followed a Bell Curve Distribution darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:34:55 AM 963 Views
You are the one who is MIS-USING his statement Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:44:26 AM 948 Views
darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:48:20 AM 1226 Views
The pathos of Darius Abunderment - 31/12/2009 04:26:15 AM 987 Views
Is Lanfear the strongest?(now) knightmarea7x - 29/12/2009 12:46:13 AM 888 Views
Re: Is Lanfear the strongest?(now) darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:21:47 PM 973 Views
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