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It is a weave, the knowledge of which guarantees that you can use it, if you are strong enough... Shannow Send a noteboard - 23/12/2009 05:35:36 PM
it's mentioned as one of the lost Talents any number of times throughout the series! It is tied to strength, as in the Weave has a minimum strength level to execute, but just like Healing the level of effectiveness of the weave is determined by the amount of Talent involved.

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They would not find Rand – not unless he had slipped in unannounced; she had decided that he had somehow rediscovered the Talent called Traveling, but that put her no closer to knowing how it was done


On the other hand, Talents like Healing, Cloud dancing, Delving, Foretelling etc. are defined by the fact that if you don't have them, you can't perform those functions at all.

Some people are more efficient than others at making gateways, but NO ONE who is strong enough is unable to make one. And being more efficient does not increase the size of your gateway, anymore than being less efficient decreases it. It merely changes how much of your strength you have to allocate to creating the weave.

So therefore maximum gateway size remains correlated to your potential strength at the time.

As for Aes Sedai believing Traveling to be a Talent. They also believed that Aes Sedai could fly with the One Power, that men and women were equal in strength in the Age of Legends, and that a Forsaken was 10 times as strong as a modern Aes Sedai. Shall I go on?
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I've been playing with some numbers since we've been having all of these OP strength debates darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 06:34:05 PM 1531 Views
There are 21 levels, not 100. More later. *NM* fionwe1987 - 20/12/2009 07:23:18 PM 582 Views
RJ has said a number of times that the 21 level scale darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 07:35:25 PM 918 Views
Few glaring errors... Shannow - 20/12/2009 09:04:55 PM 1091 Views
Re: Few glaring errors... darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 07:52:18 AM 1048 Views
You don't get it, do you... Shannow - 21/12/2009 08:19:00 AM 1022 Views
Didn't you claim that Eggy+Rom+Lel cannot match a male forsaken? Now they can match Lanfear? fionwe1987 - 21/12/2009 04:14:32 PM 907 Views
That only strengthens my point. Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:23:39 PM 961 Views
No it does not. fionwe1987 - 28/12/2009 02:45:42 AM 1015 Views
What you are missing is that darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 06:46:04 PM 965 Views
I'm not missing it at all.. Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:58:04 PM 993 Views
Let's try matching that with the actual text darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 03:01:36 PM 961 Views
Not correct... Shannow - 22/12/2009 03:29:24 PM 1041 Views
Believe as you like, I'm not here to convince you to otherwise, I'm stating how I read the evidence darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 06:01:24 PM 932 Views
You're reading the evidence wrong. Shannow - 22/12/2009 06:27:17 PM 944 Views
RJ also pointed out that Alivia's skill set as a weapon came in handy darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 07:40:35 PM 942 Views
I thought a power law distribution is much more likely, TBH redhand - 20/12/2009 09:39:21 PM 1019 Views
Yes. It essentially refers to a skewed histogram - biased to the lower end of the range... Shannow - 20/12/2009 09:53:18 PM 1045 Views
Corrections Shadowkiller - 21/12/2009 01:48:43 AM 1078 Views
No... Shannow - 21/12/2009 07:47:58 AM 974 Views
True, the application of this model is inconsistent *NM* Shadowkiller - 21/12/2009 02:34:26 PM 695 Views
Not if you point out that the average AS is not as strong as the overall average channeler darius_sedai - 25/12/2009 04:30:17 AM 934 Views
yet RJ has said flat out that OP strength is on an Bell Curve. Meaning the majority of channelers darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 07:36:22 AM 917 Views
Perhaps... Phelix - 21/12/2009 07:52:13 AM 1030 Views
I've always hated bell curves Ryan - 21/12/2009 03:56:26 PM 947 Views
The most logical answer is that the average AOL channeler was stronger than the current average... Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:36:07 PM 987 Views
and that in no way maps to any kind of Bell Curve darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 06:02:41 PM 812 Views
Why? Shannow - 22/12/2009 06:34:25 PM 944 Views
Can you provide the quote where RJ tells us the darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 07:45:04 PM 860 Views
Always go back to the evidence... Shannow - 22/12/2009 09:03:42 PM 1017 Views
I'll respond when you can actually provide a few actual quotes to support any of this darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 03:20:44 PM 907 Views
Name an item you dispute and I will provide the quote.... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:19:49 PM 916 Views
it's addressed below darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:23:58 PM 925 Views
I've been looking into this a bit... and you really do overstate things to suit your arguments darius_sedai - 24/12/2009 06:15:44 PM 948 Views
And in looking for quotes for another thread I came across this gem darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:54:34 PM 937 Views
Nice! It proves what I've been saying for ages... fionwe1987 - 29/12/2009 10:13:41 PM 957 Views
Which is why I contend that they are about 80% of Lanfear darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 10:16:07 PM 951 Views
I wasn't trying to rip him a new one. Phelix - 22/12/2009 09:38:43 PM 838 Views
I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 988 Views
Except that gateway size is used multiple times by characters to judge comparative strength... Shannow - 22/12/2009 09:21:07 PM 981 Views
Re: Except that gateway size is used multiple times by characters to judge comparative strength... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/12/2009 11:32:21 PM 1072 Views
I agree that it's practically impossible to determine strength darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 03:19:49 PM 949 Views
How convenient. And by the way, it is NOT tied to a Talent. Anyone who is strong enough, can Travel. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 04:36:24 PM 515 Views
Seriously go re-read the series, how can you have missed that Traveling is a Talent? darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 04:54:51 PM 848 Views
It is a weave, the knowledge of which guarantees that you can use it, if you are strong enough... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:35:36 PM 959 Views
Yet every AS can Heal to a degree and Cloud Dancing involves weaves too darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:41:42 PM 969 Views
Lews Therin can't Heal. Aginor can't Heal. If you don't have the Talent, you can't do it. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:52:02 PM 550 Views
LTT and Aginor have "Little Ability" with Healing darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:02:13 PM 1025 Views
Because the channelers THEMSELVES don't use Healing to judge each other's strength... Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:06:58 PM 903 Views
The Channelers state that there is a minimum level of strength to make the Weave work darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:11:55 PM 1076 Views
Beonin's Gateway darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:30:25 PM 930 Views
No, it makes her 25% as strong as Rand! Thanks for proving my model to be virtually perfect! Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:36:53 PM 889 Views
Nope, Beonin shouldn't be that strong! darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:48:30 PM 873 Views
This is true, however... lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:55:48 PM 1009 Views
Aviendha's gateway size doesn't decrease. She is just less energy efficient in creating it... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:30:17 PM 1364 Views
Aviendha is suffering from the second weave limitation darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:37:45 PM 1030 Views
Conceded. My faulty memory is to blame in this case. But it doesn't change the rule... Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:01:33 PM 879 Views
I'll give you that there is a stength limitation to Traveling darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:06:41 PM 877 Views
Why do the characters in the books judge each other's strength on gateway size then? *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:08:17 PM 486 Views
Re: Why do the characters in the books judge each other's strength on gateway size then? darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:20:18 PM 906 Views
And there you have it...Thank you. Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:27:24 PM 933 Views
And linked with Romanda and Lelaine darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:34:42 PM 911 Views
Sorry. That's pure speculation on your part. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:38:43 PM 492 Views
No more than yours is! darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:49:57 PM 922 Views
That entire passage is in the context of strength... Shannow - 23/12/2009 07:55:50 PM 823 Views
You need to re-read some of this stuff darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 11:01:15 PM 1028 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:38:43 PM 932 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population *NM* Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:41:01 PM 474 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 06:37:50 PM 942 Views
Goodness Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:37:23 AM 935 Views
I'm working within the context of what we've been told by the author darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:43:31 AM 878 Views
Since you love Wiki so much darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:55:09 AM 882 Views
No you are not Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:58:28 AM 950 Views
Dude we're discussion works of fiction darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 04:08:12 AM 1002 Views
Dumb Bell Distribution of Mongoloid Turings Abunderment - 31/12/2009 04:36:50 AM 1034 Views
Back to school AS, and you will be able to do this Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:34:39 PM 907 Views
The problem we're working with is that RJ says strength follows a Bell Curve distribution darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 03:29:26 PM 929 Views
And RJ knew his maths (and you don't) Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:22:09 AM 957 Views
I'm not the one who said OP strength followed a Bell Curve Distribution darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:34:55 AM 923 Views
You are the one who is MIS-USING his statement Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:44:26 AM 904 Views
darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:48:20 AM 1183 Views
The pathos of Darius Abunderment - 31/12/2009 04:26:15 AM 945 Views
Is Lanfear the strongest?(now) knightmarea7x - 29/12/2009 12:46:13 AM 838 Views
Re: Is Lanfear the strongest?(now) darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:21:47 PM 929 Views
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