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LTT and Aginor have "Little Ability" with Healing darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 23/12/2009 06:02:13 PM
there is nothing that says they can't form the weaves involved. Elayne can't Heal more than a bruise either, but she can make the weaves! Does any of that make them somehow less strong in the power? Why shouldn't Traveling be the same? It's a Talent, meaning there is more to it than just being able to make the weave work.

Do you have a quote supporting your theory that Traveling somehow is the ONE area in the OP that doesn't follow these general guidelines?

Rand can make a maximum of a 4x4 Gateway, nothing says he's even using his full strength to do it! Your system is based entirely on Logain telling Rand he knew Rand was stronger because he saw that Rand could make a bigger Gateway. He could also FEEL that Rand was holding more of the OP than he could.
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I've been playing with some numbers since we've been having all of these OP strength debates darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 06:34:05 PM 1398 Views
There are 21 levels, not 100. More later. *NM* fionwe1987 - 20/12/2009 07:23:18 PM 506 Views
RJ has said a number of times that the 21 level scale darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 07:35:25 PM 789 Views
Few glaring errors... Shannow - 20/12/2009 09:04:55 PM 980 Views
Re: Few glaring errors... darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 07:52:18 AM 936 Views
You don't get it, do you... Shannow - 21/12/2009 08:19:00 AM 898 Views
Didn't you claim that Eggy+Rom+Lel cannot match a male forsaken? Now they can match Lanfear? fionwe1987 - 21/12/2009 04:14:32 PM 779 Views
That only strengthens my point. Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:23:39 PM 807 Views
No it does not. fionwe1987 - 28/12/2009 02:45:42 AM 868 Views
What you are missing is that darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 06:46:04 PM 838 Views
I'm not missing it at all.. Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:58:04 PM 855 Views
Let's try matching that with the actual text darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 03:01:36 PM 833 Views
Not correct... Shannow - 22/12/2009 03:29:24 PM 919 Views
Believe as you like, I'm not here to convince you to otherwise, I'm stating how I read the evidence darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 06:01:24 PM 817 Views
You're reading the evidence wrong. Shannow - 22/12/2009 06:27:17 PM 802 Views
RJ also pointed out that Alivia's skill set as a weapon came in handy darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 07:40:35 PM 764 Views
I thought a power law distribution is much more likely, TBH redhand - 20/12/2009 09:39:21 PM 888 Views
Yes. It essentially refers to a skewed histogram - biased to the lower end of the range... Shannow - 20/12/2009 09:53:18 PM 910 Views
Corrections Shadowkiller - 21/12/2009 01:48:43 AM 936 Views
No... Shannow - 21/12/2009 07:47:58 AM 812 Views
True, the application of this model is inconsistent *NM* Shadowkiller - 21/12/2009 02:34:26 PM 625 Views
Not if you point out that the average AS is not as strong as the overall average channeler darius_sedai - 25/12/2009 04:30:17 AM 803 Views
yet RJ has said flat out that OP strength is on an Bell Curve. Meaning the majority of channelers darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 07:36:22 AM 796 Views
Perhaps... Phelix - 21/12/2009 07:52:13 AM 879 Views
I've always hated bell curves Ryan - 21/12/2009 03:56:26 PM 810 Views
The most logical answer is that the average AOL channeler was stronger than the current average... Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:36:07 PM 815 Views
and that in no way maps to any kind of Bell Curve darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 06:02:41 PM 687 Views
Why? Shannow - 22/12/2009 06:34:25 PM 829 Views
Can you provide the quote where RJ tells us the darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 07:45:04 PM 728 Views
Always go back to the evidence... Shannow - 22/12/2009 09:03:42 PM 877 Views
I'll respond when you can actually provide a few actual quotes to support any of this darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 03:20:44 PM 797 Views
Name an item you dispute and I will provide the quote.... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:19:49 PM 780 Views
it's addressed below darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:23:58 PM 787 Views
I've been looking into this a bit... and you really do overstate things to suit your arguments darius_sedai - 24/12/2009 06:15:44 PM 825 Views
And in looking for quotes for another thread I came across this gem darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:54:34 PM 799 Views
Nice! It proves what I've been saying for ages... fionwe1987 - 29/12/2009 10:13:41 PM 827 Views
Which is why I contend that they are about 80% of Lanfear darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 10:16:07 PM 805 Views
I wasn't trying to rip him a new one. Phelix - 22/12/2009 09:38:43 PM 718 Views
I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 851 Views
Except that gateway size is used multiple times by characters to judge comparative strength... Shannow - 22/12/2009 09:21:07 PM 835 Views
Re: Except that gateway size is used multiple times by characters to judge comparative strength... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/12/2009 11:32:21 PM 946 Views
I agree that it's practically impossible to determine strength darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 03:19:49 PM 829 Views
How convenient. And by the way, it is NOT tied to a Talent. Anyone who is strong enough, can Travel. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 04:36:24 PM 467 Views
Seriously go re-read the series, how can you have missed that Traveling is a Talent? darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 04:54:51 PM 730 Views
It is a weave, the knowledge of which guarantees that you can use it, if you are strong enough... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:35:36 PM 821 Views
Yet every AS can Heal to a degree and Cloud Dancing involves weaves too darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:41:42 PM 854 Views
Lews Therin can't Heal. Aginor can't Heal. If you don't have the Talent, you can't do it. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:52:02 PM 467 Views
LTT and Aginor have "Little Ability" with Healing darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:02:13 PM 859 Views
Because the channelers THEMSELVES don't use Healing to judge each other's strength... Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:06:58 PM 782 Views
The Channelers state that there is a minimum level of strength to make the Weave work darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:11:55 PM 950 Views
Beonin's Gateway darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:30:25 PM 806 Views
No, it makes her 25% as strong as Rand! Thanks for proving my model to be virtually perfect! Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:36:53 PM 782 Views
Nope, Beonin shouldn't be that strong! darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:48:30 PM 758 Views
This is true, however... lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:55:48 PM 859 Views
Aviendha's gateway size doesn't decrease. She is just less energy efficient in creating it... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:30:17 PM 1151 Views
Aviendha is suffering from the second weave limitation darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:37:45 PM 908 Views
Conceded. My faulty memory is to blame in this case. But it doesn't change the rule... Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:01:33 PM 739 Views
I'll give you that there is a stength limitation to Traveling darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:06:41 PM 765 Views
Why do the characters in the books judge each other's strength on gateway size then? *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:08:17 PM 429 Views
Re: Why do the characters in the books judge each other's strength on gateway size then? darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:20:18 PM 784 Views
And there you have it...Thank you. Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:27:24 PM 782 Views
And linked with Romanda and Lelaine darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:34:42 PM 780 Views
Sorry. That's pure speculation on your part. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:38:43 PM 439 Views
No more than yours is! darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:49:57 PM 810 Views
That entire passage is in the context of strength... Shannow - 23/12/2009 07:55:50 PM 692 Views
You need to re-read some of this stuff darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 11:01:15 PM 875 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:38:43 PM 794 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population *NM* Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:41:01 PM 409 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 06:37:50 PM 794 Views
Goodness Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:37:23 AM 811 Views
I'm working within the context of what we've been told by the author darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:43:31 AM 766 Views
Since you love Wiki so much darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:55:09 AM 768 Views
No you are not Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:58:28 AM 808 Views
Dude we're discussion works of fiction darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 04:08:12 AM 850 Views
Dumb Bell Distribution of Mongoloid Turings Abunderment - 31/12/2009 04:36:50 AM 905 Views
Back to school AS, and you will be able to do this Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:34:39 PM 766 Views
The problem we're working with is that RJ says strength follows a Bell Curve distribution darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 03:29:26 PM 786 Views
And RJ knew his maths (and you don't) Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:22:09 AM 822 Views
I'm not the one who said OP strength followed a Bell Curve Distribution darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:34:55 AM 788 Views
You are the one who is MIS-USING his statement Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:44:26 AM 782 Views
darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:48:20 AM 1069 Views
The pathos of Darius Abunderment - 31/12/2009 04:26:15 AM 819 Views
Is Lanfear the strongest?(now) knightmarea7x - 29/12/2009 12:46:13 AM 724 Views
Re: Is Lanfear the strongest?(now) darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:21:47 PM 796 Views
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