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The problem we're working with is that RJ says strength follows a Bell Curve distribution darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 26/12/2009 03:29:26 PM
Let me start out by stating the various facts that we know for certain:

1. OP Strength follows a Bell Curve


I suggest you are mixing up your maths. The bell curve is a FREQUENCY DISTRIBUTION of something countable. It cannot be used as a tool to determine the nature of the countable things.

For example, take 3 people (Gawyn, Galad, Elayne) with IQs respectively of 80, 95, 140 (sd = 15, mean = 110). All we can say is that Gawyn has a higher IQ than 2% of the population, Galad has a higher IQ than 16% of the population and Elayne has a higher IQ than 84% of the population.

We cannot say what IQ means by contemplating the standardised curve. We cannot say that Gawyn and Galad are (together) smarter than Elayne. We cannot if IQ of 80 is sufficient to play stones. If we know these things, we know for other reasons.

To "solve" the power issue you simply need to construct formulae and solve. Given that we rely on terms such as "nearly", "twice" and so on, there is a big margin to play with. Using a scale is a good idea, however it should be linear. Standardising to 0-100 adds complexity, suggests log or exp values, and may be source of your misplaced use of the bell curve.

Once you had formula and data sorted out, then you could use normal distribution to say things. For example, you might say "gee, there is a real lack of strong women from Seanchan. What's the chance this occurs randomly? 0.001%! There is something odd afoot, I think."

Is there a list anywhere of every RJ quote on relative strengths? I'd love to look thru.

Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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I've been playing with some numbers since we've been having all of these OP strength debates - 20/12/2009 06:34:05 PM 1533 Views
There are 21 levels, not 100. More later. *NM* - 20/12/2009 07:23:18 PM 582 Views
RJ has said a number of times that the 21 level scale - 20/12/2009 07:35:25 PM 919 Views
Few glaring errors... - 20/12/2009 09:04:55 PM 1093 Views
Re: Few glaring errors... - 21/12/2009 07:52:18 AM 1050 Views
You don't get it, do you... - 21/12/2009 08:19:00 AM 1024 Views
Didn't you claim that Eggy+Rom+Lel cannot match a male forsaken? Now they can match Lanfear? - 21/12/2009 04:14:32 PM 909 Views
That only strengthens my point. - 21/12/2009 06:23:39 PM 961 Views
No it does not. - 28/12/2009 02:45:42 AM 1015 Views
What you are missing is that - 21/12/2009 06:46:04 PM 966 Views
I'm not missing it at all.. - 21/12/2009 06:58:04 PM 995 Views
Let's try matching that with the actual text - 22/12/2009 03:01:36 PM 963 Views
Not correct... - 22/12/2009 03:29:24 PM 1043 Views
Believe as you like, I'm not here to convince you to otherwise, I'm stating how I read the evidence - 22/12/2009 06:01:24 PM 934 Views
You're reading the evidence wrong. - 22/12/2009 06:27:17 PM 944 Views
RJ also pointed out that Alivia's skill set as a weapon came in handy - 22/12/2009 07:40:35 PM 942 Views
I thought a power law distribution is much more likely, TBH - 20/12/2009 09:39:21 PM 1019 Views
Yes. It essentially refers to a skewed histogram - biased to the lower end of the range... - 20/12/2009 09:53:18 PM 1047 Views
Corrections - 21/12/2009 01:48:43 AM 1079 Views
No... - 21/12/2009 07:47:58 AM 974 Views
True, the application of this model is inconsistent *NM* - 21/12/2009 02:34:26 PM 695 Views
yet RJ has said flat out that OP strength is on an Bell Curve. Meaning the majority of channelers - 21/12/2009 07:36:22 AM 917 Views
Perhaps... - 21/12/2009 07:52:13 AM 1031 Views
I've always hated bell curves - 21/12/2009 03:56:26 PM 948 Views
The most logical answer is that the average AOL channeler was stronger than the current average... - 21/12/2009 06:36:07 PM 989 Views
and that in no way maps to any kind of Bell Curve - 22/12/2009 06:02:41 PM 812 Views
Why? - 22/12/2009 06:34:25 PM 946 Views
Can you provide the quote where RJ tells us the - 22/12/2009 07:45:04 PM 860 Views
Always go back to the evidence... - 22/12/2009 09:03:42 PM 1017 Views
I'll respond when you can actually provide a few actual quotes to support any of this - 23/12/2009 03:20:44 PM 908 Views
Name an item you dispute and I will provide the quote.... - 23/12/2009 05:19:49 PM 916 Views
it's addressed below - 23/12/2009 05:23:58 PM 925 Views
I've been looking into this a bit... and you really do overstate things to suit your arguments - 24/12/2009 06:15:44 PM 950 Views
And in looking for quotes for another thread I came across this gem - 29/12/2009 09:54:34 PM 937 Views
Nice! It proves what I've been saying for ages... - 29/12/2009 10:13:41 PM 957 Views
Which is why I contend that they are about 80% of Lanfear - 29/12/2009 10:16:07 PM 952 Views
I wasn't trying to rip him a new one. - 22/12/2009 09:38:43 PM 838 Views
I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population - 22/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 988 Views
Except that gateway size is used multiple times by characters to judge comparative strength... - 22/12/2009 09:21:07 PM 981 Views
Re: Except that gateway size is used multiple times by characters to judge comparative strength... - 22/12/2009 11:32:21 PM 1073 Views
I agree that it's practically impossible to determine strength - 23/12/2009 03:19:49 PM 949 Views
How convenient. And by the way, it is NOT tied to a Talent. Anyone who is strong enough, can Travel. *NM* - 23/12/2009 04:36:24 PM 515 Views
This is true, however... - 23/12/2009 04:55:48 PM 1010 Views
Aviendha's gateway size doesn't decrease. She is just less energy efficient in creating it... - 23/12/2009 05:30:17 PM 1365 Views
Aviendha is suffering from the second weave limitation - 23/12/2009 05:37:45 PM 1031 Views
Conceded. My faulty memory is to blame in this case. But it doesn't change the rule... - 23/12/2009 06:01:33 PM 880 Views
I'll give you that there is a stength limitation to Traveling - 23/12/2009 06:06:41 PM 877 Views
Why do the characters in the books judge each other's strength on gateway size then? *NM* - 23/12/2009 06:08:17 PM 486 Views
Re: Why do the characters in the books judge each other's strength on gateway size then? - 23/12/2009 06:20:18 PM 908 Views
And there you have it...Thank you. - 23/12/2009 06:27:24 PM 934 Views
And linked with Romanda and Lelaine - 23/12/2009 06:34:42 PM 912 Views
Sorry. That's pure speculation on your part. *NM* - 23/12/2009 06:38:43 PM 492 Views
No more than yours is! - 23/12/2009 06:49:57 PM 924 Views
That entire passage is in the context of strength... - 23/12/2009 07:55:50 PM 825 Views
You need to re-read some of this stuff - 23/12/2009 11:01:15 PM 1030 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population - 26/12/2009 12:38:43 PM 933 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population - 26/12/2009 06:37:50 PM 944 Views
Goodness - 31/12/2009 03:37:23 AM 936 Views
I'm working within the context of what we've been told by the author - 31/12/2009 03:43:31 AM 879 Views
Since you love Wiki so much - 31/12/2009 03:55:09 AM 883 Views
No you are not - 31/12/2009 03:58:28 AM 952 Views
Dude we're discussion works of fiction - 31/12/2009 04:08:12 AM 1003 Views
Dumb Bell Distribution of Mongoloid Turings - 31/12/2009 04:36:50 AM 1035 Views
Back to school AS, and you will be able to do this - 26/12/2009 12:34:39 PM 908 Views
The problem we're working with is that RJ says strength follows a Bell Curve distribution - 26/12/2009 03:29:26 PM 930 Views
And RJ knew his maths (and you don't) - 31/12/2009 03:22:09 AM 958 Views
I'm not the one who said OP strength followed a Bell Curve Distribution - 31/12/2009 03:34:55 AM 925 Views
You are the one who is MIS-USING his statement - 31/12/2009 03:44:26 AM 904 Views
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