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You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM
Unless you actually have quotes and selections from the series where a character clearly identifies Alviarin's mark, the Shadowspawns special abilities and the Dark One's reality bending powers, you're operating entirely on theoretics.

You won't find those quotes and selections...because they are not there. I'm primarily interested in channelers and as a result of this, I've read the BWB and most of the Power/Forsaken/Channeling related sections of the books multiple times.

I think you are so quick to name the True Power as a source for anything Dark-related that you forget that the taint of Shadar Logoth, Dreamwalking, Wolfbrother/Wolfsister abilities, Sniffing, and indeed parallel dimensions and other lifetimes have nothing to do with the Power.

You also forget a key factor: The One Power is not the Creator's essence; from all we have been told, it is the force the Creator put in place to drive the Wheel of Time. The Creator may have originated it, but we don't know if it is Her essence or not. The True Power, conversely, must operate on a parallel path - it is not the Dark One's essence, per se, but an additional force that the Dark One can control. The Dark One is a sentient intelligence from beyond space/time - it's not limited to using one force to accomplish it's goals. In fact, we've seen no evidence that transmigration has anything to do with the TP, either. Once again, if you are going to be so insistent about this, provide a quote or section that says so. I suspect all you will find is the same thing the rest of us found - a bunch of uncertain statements that don't suffice to substantively answer or refute most people's questions.
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Fain's Myrddraal - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 2092 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 574 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 554 Views
But what was the purpose then? - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 1068 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 1036 Views
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The explanations - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 1259 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 1194 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 2121 Views
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Indeed *NM* - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 509 Views
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The reasoning is very weak. - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 1071 Views
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A few points - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 980 Views
You are wrong... - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 975 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 1076 Views
Key word - "possibly" - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 990 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 941 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 877 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 969 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 876 Views
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I think you are stretching the reality a bit - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 969 Views
You confuse it a bit... - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 1030 Views
I think you've got it backwards - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 928 Views
However... - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 964 Views
I wasn't arguing that point - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 1196 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 924 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 893 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 993 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 1084 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 1041 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 976 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 947 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 1058 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 1078 Views
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You are mistaken on quite a few counts. - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 1149 Views
Actually... - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 1049 Views
BWB says... - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 1263 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 496 Views
Well... - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 1093 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 1000 Views
No... - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 1208 Views
Re: No... - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 1164 Views
Again... - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 915 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 987 Views
Again... - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 879 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 981 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 843 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 942 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 487 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 814 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 1056 Views
I don't say... - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 1168 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 1055 Views
Re: Well... - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 979 Views
It becomes clear... - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 883 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 854 Views
Fair enough. *NM* - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 537 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 1170 Views
As said... - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 960 Views
Re: As said... - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 948 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 951 Views
makes you wonder - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 1027 Views
Re: makes you wonder - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 1024 Views
I think... - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 914 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 547 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 516 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 490 Views

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