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No... Etzel Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM
Is refuted by the BWB. The need for Slayer while more powerful tools were in stasis is obvious, but that doesn't mean that he's the only assassin ... just a specialist ... and he's obsolete with Channelers and Gholam out there now in any case!


I said that Lanfear and Moghedien never acted as assassins in the books, i.e. in the series. Maybe because there are things like Gray Men, draghkar and Slayer, and the Forsaken have better things to do than performing assassinations? Apparently Slayer isn't obsolete, otherwise the DO, the Forsaken and high-ranking DF wouldn't use him.

He's failed time and again:

1. Fain, still alive and kicking and from what we can see Slayer never even got close to him!

2. Perrin (who wasn't really his "mark" just in the way)

3. Nynaeve (seems like he was just covering his tracks when seen with her, I don't recall him being sent after her)

4. Rand/Min ... that was just a big bungle!

His biggest accomplishment in series thus far was killing a couple of bound AS and a Gray Man ... doesn't seem like he's all that special if you as me. Millie seems to have done as much :P


Yeah, on the other hand, the super assassins Cyndane and Moghedien were of course pretty thorough & quick in killing Perrin and Mat. For that matter, the Forsaken in general seem very successful in killing Rand, Min, Nynaeve, Fain or many others..

As I often said, just because the Shadow fails, doesn't mean it's supposed to be completely incompetent by the author. Certain characters are simply still needed for the plot.
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Fain's Myrddraal Etzel - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 1988 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* Lordling - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 517 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 501 Views
But what was the purpose then? Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 937 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO Bonden - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 880 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:02:42 PM 959 Views
Re: Maybe... Bonden - 29/12/2009 03:58:57 AM 1171 Views
Re: Fain's Myrddraal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 03:19:37 PM 929 Views
Slayer also hunts Rand Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:57:11 PM 948 Views
I think it's possible that Slayer could have killed Asmo darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 04:35:57 PM 866 Views
The explanations Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 1120 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 1058 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 1982 Views
I don't really have a strong opinion on which suspect did it darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:03:07 PM 862 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/12/2009 06:42:16 PM 909 Views
Indeed *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 453 Views
Re: The explanations RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 08:01:19 PM 801 Views
The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:13:07 PM 901 Views
Re: The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:19:24 PM 980 Views
The reason is... Etzel - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM 930 Views
The reasoning is very weak. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 950 Views
If you mean... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:01:25 PM 1020 Views
A few points darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 862 Views
You are wrong... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 857 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 958 Views
Key word - "possibly" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 862 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 829 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 757 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 845 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 762 Views
Slayer calls it "gifts" in his PoV Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:37:49 PM 800 Views
I think you are stretching the reality a bit darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 854 Views
You confuse it a bit... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 911 Views
I think you've got it backwards darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 815 Views
However... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 845 Views
I wasn't arguing that point darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 1083 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 809 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 779 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 860 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 967 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 917 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 860 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 825 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 940 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 969 Views
Well, I disagree of course... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:36:19 PM 1091 Views
You are mistaken on quite a few counts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 1002 Views
Actually... Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 912 Views
BWB says... darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 1152 Views
Exactly. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 431 Views
Well... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 971 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 876 Views
No... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 1083 Views
Re: No... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 1040 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 796 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 824 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 766 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 859 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 723 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 819 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 437 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 714 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 938 Views
I don't say... Etzel - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 1042 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC darius_sedai - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 931 Views
Re: Well... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 844 Views
It becomes clear... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 768 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 733 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 482 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 1034 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 836 Views
Re: As said... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 828 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 801 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 895 Views
Re: makes you wonder RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 903 Views
I think... Etzel - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 802 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* aldapelan - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 491 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 456 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* Gher - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 444 Views
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