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No... Etzel Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM
Is refuted by the BWB. The need for Slayer while more powerful tools were in stasis is obvious, but that doesn't mean that he's the only assassin ... just a specialist ... and he's obsolete with Channelers and Gholam out there now in any case!


I said that Lanfear and Moghedien never acted as assassins in the books, i.e. in the series. Maybe because there are things like Gray Men, draghkar and Slayer, and the Forsaken have better things to do than performing assassinations? Apparently Slayer isn't obsolete, otherwise the DO, the Forsaken and high-ranking DF wouldn't use him.

He's failed time and again:

1. Fain, still alive and kicking and from what we can see Slayer never even got close to him!

2. Perrin (who wasn't really his "mark" just in the way)

3. Nynaeve (seems like he was just covering his tracks when seen with her, I don't recall him being sent after her)

4. Rand/Min ... that was just a big bungle!

His biggest accomplishment in series thus far was killing a couple of bound AS and a Gray Man ... doesn't seem like he's all that special if you as me. Millie seems to have done as much :P


Yeah, on the other hand, the super assassins Cyndane and Moghedien were of course pretty thorough & quick in killing Perrin and Mat. For that matter, the Forsaken in general seem very successful in killing Rand, Min, Nynaeve, Fain or many others..

As I often said, just because the Shadow fails, doesn't mean it's supposed to be completely incompetent by the author. Certain characters are simply still needed for the plot.
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Fain's Myrddraal Etzel - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 2111 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* Lordling - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 589 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 567 Views
But what was the purpose then? Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 1090 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO Bonden - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 1068 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:02:42 PM 1100 Views
Re: Maybe... Bonden - 29/12/2009 03:58:57 AM 1314 Views
Re: Fain's Myrddraal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 03:19:37 PM 1068 Views
Slayer also hunts Rand Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:57:11 PM 1136 Views
I think it's possible that Slayer could have killed Asmo darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 04:35:57 PM 1024 Views
The explanations Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 1289 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 1224 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 2153 Views
I don't really have a strong opinion on which suspect did it darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:03:07 PM 1011 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/12/2009 06:42:16 PM 1061 Views
Indeed *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 517 Views
Re: The explanations RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 08:01:19 PM 975 Views
The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:13:07 PM 1054 Views
Re: The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:19:24 PM 1116 Views
The reason is... Etzel - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM 1082 Views
The reasoning is very weak. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 1090 Views
If you mean... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:01:25 PM 1191 Views
A few points darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 1006 Views
You are wrong... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 995 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 1098 Views
Key word - "possibly" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 1011 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 987 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 898 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 994 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 896 Views
Slayer calls it "gifts" in his PoV Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:37:49 PM 941 Views
I think you are stretching the reality a bit darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 997 Views
You confuse it a bit... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 1054 Views
I think you've got it backwards darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 945 Views
However... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 983 Views
I wasn't arguing that point darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 1220 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 943 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 916 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 1018 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 1108 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 1072 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 998 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 964 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 1091 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 1096 Views
Well, I disagree of course... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:36:19 PM 1255 Views
You are mistaken on quite a few counts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 1198 Views
Actually... Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 1074 Views
BWB says... darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 1291 Views
Exactly. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 524 Views
Well... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 1114 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 1031 Views
No... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 1232 Views
Re: No... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 1210 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 932 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 1015 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 902 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 1009 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 867 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 964 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 503 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 831 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 1076 Views
I don't say... Etzel - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 1187 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC darius_sedai - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 1089 Views
Re: Well... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 995 Views
It becomes clear... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 912 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 880 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 550 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 1203 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 988 Views
Re: As said... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 971 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 982 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 1057 Views
Re: makes you wonder RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 1046 Views
I think... Etzel - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 940 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* aldapelan - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 558 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 528 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* Gher - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 497 Views
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