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Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM
Actually Slayer already appears in Egwene's/Nynaeve's plotline in TDR, when he kills the Gray Man. In the beginning of TSR Slayer is basically in Rand's plotline, when he kills the two BA. Then he hops to Perrin's plotline, when he is hunting Fain, but also appears in Nynaeve's plotline again, when he almost kills her in TSR. In LoC Egwene sees Slayer stalking in TAR. Similarly Slayer is seen spying on the Wondergirls in WH, but also appears in Rand's plotline in Far Madding. Besides that, Slayer (or Luc & Isam) are of course often mentioned by various characters throughout the series.


The name Slayer never appears until the Wolves name him to Perrin in TSR. Fain refers to him as Isam.

We don't know he was responsible for the Gray Man or the BA in the Stone until WH, when he has the POV that IMO excludes him from being the killer. Why reveal all the rest and not that?

That shows that Slayer basically jumps between the plotlines, so to speak. And this makes sense, because he is an assassin, who follows the various tasks different patrons give him. Therefore it also makes sense that he killed Asmo, especially if he was sent by a Forsaken linked to Rand's plotline at this time (most likely Graendal or Lanfear; but one also can't completely rule out Mesaana, Sammael or Moridin).


He obviously is jumping around doing many things, but killing Asmodean (even at the order of one of the others) seems like a stretch since RJ said we should have had the clues by that point and our only exposure to him is a handful of random encounters followed by the whole "killing wolves in T'A'R" subplot (that I still don't get the point of to be honest).

Your argument that Slayer is only tied to Perrin's plotline and therefore couldn't appear in Rand's plotline in TFoH makes obviously no sense and is even refuted in the books. Considering that we had two other mysterious assassinations in the books before Asmo's death - namely the killing of the two BA in the Stone and the killing of the Gray Man in the WT - it makes sense that the same killer stroke again in the Caemlyn Palace to kill Asmo.


My argument is that prior to TFoH the only time we've actually seen Slayer (named) was in Perrin's plotline. He was sent after Fain in the TR. The mystery killings are just that until WH, we have no idea that Slayer did this until WH ... see above...

Sure there are bread crumbs that could lead to Slayer as the killer, I've said before that I don't 100% rule him out, I only find him to be the less likely killer of the available suspects.
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Fain's Myrddraal Etzel - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 2050 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* Lordling - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 544 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 527 Views
But what was the purpose then? Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 1004 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO Bonden - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 970 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:02:42 PM 1013 Views
Re: Maybe... Bonden - 29/12/2009 03:58:57 AM 1232 Views
Re: Fain's Myrddraal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 03:19:37 PM 992 Views
Slayer also hunts Rand Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:57:11 PM 1034 Views
I think it's possible that Slayer could have killed Asmo darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 04:35:57 PM 924 Views
The explanations Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 1181 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 1129 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 2046 Views
I don't really have a strong opinion on which suspect did it darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:03:07 PM 929 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/12/2009 06:42:16 PM 973 Views
Indeed *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 475 Views
Re: The explanations RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 08:01:19 PM 869 Views
The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:13:07 PM 967 Views
Re: The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:19:24 PM 1048 Views
The reason is... Etzel - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM 985 Views
The reasoning is very weak. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 1007 Views
If you mean... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:01:25 PM 1092 Views
A few points darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 924 Views
You are wrong... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 921 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 1011 Views
Key word - "possibly" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 923 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 893 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 821 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 909 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 827 Views
Slayer calls it "gifts" in his PoV Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:37:49 PM 863 Views
I think you are stretching the reality a bit darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 913 Views
You confuse it a bit... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 977 Views
I think you've got it backwards darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 880 Views
However... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 915 Views
I wasn't arguing that point darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 1147 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 881 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 846 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 943 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 1034 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 986 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 922 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 894 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 1009 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 1021 Views
Well, I disagree of course... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:36:19 PM 1161 Views
You are mistaken on quite a few counts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 1061 Views
Actually... Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 977 Views
BWB says... darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 1218 Views
Exactly. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 464 Views
Well... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 1043 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 933 Views
No... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 1153 Views
Re: No... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 1105 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 869 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 897 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 829 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 918 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 785 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 883 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 462 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 772 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 1007 Views
I don't say... Etzel - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 1110 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC darius_sedai - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 1000 Views
Re: Well... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 913 Views
It becomes clear... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 829 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 795 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 505 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 1109 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 897 Views
Re: As said... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 890 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 881 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 966 Views
Re: makes you wonder RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 965 Views
I think... Etzel - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 870 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* aldapelan - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 523 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 485 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* Gher - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 464 Views
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