I don't think so, but that doesn't mean it was "for nothing".
Tom Send a noteboard - 12/01/2010 04:26:57 PM
Cadsuane showed the Forsaken were not to be feared, which is really not a major victory or a significant event, especially considering how few people were present to witness the event.
However, it's probably what decided Shaitan on the idea of sacrificing her as part of his plot to get Rand "hooked" on the True Power. In that sense, she sealed her own doom when she broke. Shaitan knew she was about to divulge important information since she had been broken and he didn't want that. Since she had been broken, he also probably didn't want to just free her because she showed weakness in breaking. As a result, he decided to use her in another useful way (for him), one that involved her death.
From the standpoint of Cadsuane and company, it was a success that yielded no information due to circumstances beyond their control, but it can be repeated if they ever capture a Forsaken again and could lead to information in the future. Just because a plan can't be taken to completion doesn't mean it was "for nothing".
However, it's probably what decided Shaitan on the idea of sacrificing her as part of his plot to get Rand "hooked" on the True Power. In that sense, she sealed her own doom when she broke. Shaitan knew she was about to divulge important information since she had been broken and he didn't want that. Since she had been broken, he also probably didn't want to just free her because she showed weakness in breaking. As a result, he decided to use her in another useful way (for him), one that involved her death.
From the standpoint of Cadsuane and company, it was a success that yielded no information due to circumstances beyond their control, but it can be repeated if they ever capture a Forsaken again and could lead to information in the future. Just because a plan can't be taken to completion doesn't mean it was "for nothing".
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Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown?
- 12/01/2010 01:38:04 PM
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I don't think Cadsuane learned anything from Semirhage...
- 12/01/2010 02:09:26 PM
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Of course it was necessary to the plot. It's why Shaitan sacrificed Semirhage. *NM*
- 12/01/2010 04:28:10 PM
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Doubt that Rand's TP use was intended
- 12/01/2010 04:44:12 PM
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It seems very reasonable that the DO would give Rand access to the TP
- 12/01/2010 05:22:17 PM
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i thought BSand said that the DO wasn't aware ... am I making that up? *NM*
- 12/01/2010 05:24:26 PM
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Rand was captured and helpless...
- 12/01/2010 05:41:20 PM
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That argument is wrong...
- 12/01/2010 10:48:57 PM
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Re: That argument is wrong...
- 12/01/2010 11:10:14 PM
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Re: That argument is wrong...
- 13/01/2010 04:54:51 AM
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A rescue attempt at SG seems pretty difficult, though. And Min would be dead.
- 13/01/2010 08:09:33 AM
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IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO USE THE TRUE POWER WITHOUT SHAI'TAN'S CONSENT.
- 12/01/2010 08:20:30 PM
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Funny when reading that chapter
- 13/01/2010 07:08:29 PM
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We will see. The revelation what was really going on will be very interesting in any case! *NM*
- 14/01/2010 11:11:15 AM
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I predict we'll learn all about this in Graendal's ToM POV 
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- 14/01/2010 06:16:21 PM
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- 14/01/2010 06:16:21 PM
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Re: Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown?
- 12/01/2010 02:23:28 PM
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Re: Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown?
- 12/01/2010 04:07:47 PM
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But would the Shadow want her to do what Moghidien and Asmodean did?
- 12/01/2010 04:44:42 PM
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IMO: Yes.
- 12/01/2010 03:43:16 PM
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I think...
- 12/01/2010 04:52:00 PM
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I have doubts about this.
- 12/01/2010 05:20:27 PM
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But why would the Shadow tell Cadsuane & Co.?
- 12/01/2010 05:50:19 PM
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Because Semirhage was broken and may have revealed it to them under interrogation/spanking. *NM*
- 12/01/2010 06:53:35 PM
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Hmm, I doubt that Semirhage knew this, since she was concentrated on the Seanchan & Rand.
- 12/01/2010 07:12:45 PM
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I agree that it's much more likely that Sulin told them about Tam *NM*
- 12/01/2010 07:30:32 PM
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I don't think so, but that doesn't mean it was "for nothing".
- 12/01/2010 04:26:57 PM
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Just one
- 12/01/2010 05:00:26 PM
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Re: Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown?
- 12/01/2010 05:23:29 PM
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Re: Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown?
- 17/01/2010 07:08:29 AM
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