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Re: Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown? darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 12/01/2010 05:23:29 PM
Did she obtain any news on the other Forsaken? Demandred's plans? Anything?


Not a damn thing

If not, I find the justification for Semirhage's breakdown and humiliation from a plot perspective even more unconvincing.

It's purpose was supposedly for the Light to gain vital information from her. But in the end, it seems her aura as the ultimate Forsaken badass was destroyed for no plot purpose whatsoever.


It served the purpose of, once again, showing us how petty the FS really are, and that they are merely humans, and even the "most scary badass" amongst them are pathetic.


She could still have captured Rand with the adam if she had just escaped from captivity without being broken by Cadsuane.


but it wasn't until she was broken that SH came to free her... at that point the DO was running the risk that she would tell the Light real information if he left her in their hands now that she was broken. Note that earlier Moridin falt out refused to save her ass.

So other than meet RJ's need for "Bad Guy Humiliation", the destruction of her reputation was for nothing.


RJ did the same with pretty much all of them! Lanfear get's killed by a woman less than half her strength, Mesaana is raped for insubordination, Ishamael is exposed as a total coward, Be'lal and Moghedien get caught in their own webs ... it's sort of thematic. I think Demandred will fall off his horse and land on Mat's Ashanderi ... and Mesaana will be burned out by a dream ter'angreal
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown? Shannow - 12/01/2010 01:38:04 PM 1244 Views
I don't think Cadsuane learned anything from Semirhage... Etzel - 12/01/2010 02:09:26 PM 671 Views
Of course it was necessary to the plot. It's why Shaitan sacrificed Semirhage. *NM* Tom - 12/01/2010 04:28:10 PM 251 Views
Doubt that Rand's TP use was intended Etzel - 12/01/2010 04:44:12 PM 506 Views
It seems very reasonable that the DO would give Rand access to the TP beetnemesis - 12/01/2010 05:22:17 PM 531 Views
i thought BSand said that the DO wasn't aware ... am I making that up? *NM* darius_sedai - 12/01/2010 05:24:26 PM 223 Views
Rand was captured and helpless... Etzel - 12/01/2010 05:41:20 PM 565 Views
That argument is wrong... fionwe1987 - 12/01/2010 10:48:57 PM 496 Views
Re: That argument is wrong... Datakim - 12/01/2010 11:10:14 PM 455 Views
Re: That argument is wrong... fionwe1987 - 13/01/2010 04:54:51 AM 548 Views
A rescue attempt at SG seems pretty difficult, though. And Min would be dead. Etzel - 13/01/2010 08:09:33 AM 458 Views
But Avi, Elayne and Alanna would be alive... fionwe1987 - 13/01/2010 05:53:18 PM 550 Views
Well... Etzel - 13/01/2010 06:01:35 PM 520 Views
Re: That argument is wrong... Datakim - 13/01/2010 11:02:05 AM 484 Views
I doubt... Etzel - 13/01/2010 08:05:24 AM 439 Views
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO USE THE TRUE POWER WITHOUT SHAI'TAN'S CONSENT. Tom - 12/01/2010 08:20:30 PM 473 Views
Maybe and maybe not Datakim - 12/01/2010 08:31:31 PM 465 Views
What Datakim said... Etzel - 12/01/2010 08:42:45 PM 500 Views
Funny when reading that chapter wheelwright - 13/01/2010 07:08:29 PM 584 Views
We will see. The revelation what was really going on will be very interesting in any case! *NM* Etzel - 14/01/2010 11:11:15 AM 236 Views
I predict we'll learn all about this in Graendal's ToM POV *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:16:21 PM 225 Views
I rather think we will learn this from Moridin. *NM* Etzel - 14/01/2010 06:29:32 PM 233 Views
you are likely correct *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:39:42 PM 265 Views
Re: Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown? Madman - 12/01/2010 02:23:28 PM 554 Views
Re: Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown? Watcher - 12/01/2010 04:07:47 PM 534 Views
But would the Shadow want her to do what Moghidien and Asmodean did? Ryan - 12/01/2010 04:44:42 PM 421 Views
IMO: Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/01/2010 03:43:16 PM 554 Views
I think... Etzel - 12/01/2010 04:52:00 PM 528 Views
I have doubts about this. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/01/2010 05:20:27 PM 530 Views
But why would the Shadow tell Cadsuane & Co.? Etzel - 12/01/2010 05:50:19 PM 491 Views
Because Semirhage was broken and may have revealed it to them under interrogation/spanking. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/01/2010 06:53:35 PM 238 Views
Hmm, I doubt that Semirhage knew this, since she was concentrated on the Seanchan & Rand. Etzel - 12/01/2010 07:12:45 PM 456 Views
I agree that it's much more likely that Sulin told them about Tam *NM* darius_sedai - 12/01/2010 07:30:32 PM 246 Views
Re: IMO: Yes. ajah - 17/01/2010 07:07:12 AM 393 Views
I don't think so, but that doesn't mean it was "for nothing". Tom - 12/01/2010 04:26:57 PM 487 Views
Just one Sidious - 12/01/2010 05:00:26 PM 530 Views
But already before her "breaking". *NM* Etzel - 12/01/2010 05:02:24 PM 219 Views
Yes Sidious - 12/01/2010 05:16:03 PM 470 Views
Re: Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown? darius_sedai - 12/01/2010 05:23:29 PM 515 Views
Re: Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown? ajah - 17/01/2010 07:08:29 AM 512 Views
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