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Re: Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown? darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 12/01/2010 05:23:29 PM
Did she obtain any news on the other Forsaken? Demandred's plans? Anything?


Not a damn thing

If not, I find the justification for Semirhage's breakdown and humiliation from a plot perspective even more unconvincing.

It's purpose was supposedly for the Light to gain vital information from her. But in the end, it seems her aura as the ultimate Forsaken badass was destroyed for no plot purpose whatsoever.


It served the purpose of, once again, showing us how petty the FS really are, and that they are merely humans, and even the "most scary badass" amongst them are pathetic.


She could still have captured Rand with the adam if she had just escaped from captivity without being broken by Cadsuane.


but it wasn't until she was broken that SH came to free her... at that point the DO was running the risk that she would tell the Light real information if he left her in their hands now that she was broken. Note that earlier Moridin falt out refused to save her ass.

So other than meet RJ's need for "Bad Guy Humiliation", the destruction of her reputation was for nothing.


RJ did the same with pretty much all of them! Lanfear get's killed by a woman less than half her strength, Mesaana is raped for insubordination, Ishamael is exposed as a total coward, Be'lal and Moghedien get caught in their own webs ... it's sort of thematic. I think Demandred will fall off his horse and land on Mat's Ashanderi ... and Mesaana will be burned out by a dream ter'angreal
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown? Shannow - 12/01/2010 01:38:04 PM 1388 Views
I don't think Cadsuane learned anything from Semirhage... Etzel - 12/01/2010 02:09:26 PM 813 Views
Of course it was necessary to the plot. It's why Shaitan sacrificed Semirhage. *NM* Tom - 12/01/2010 04:28:10 PM 306 Views
Doubt that Rand's TP use was intended Etzel - 12/01/2010 04:44:12 PM 645 Views
It seems very reasonable that the DO would give Rand access to the TP beetnemesis - 12/01/2010 05:22:17 PM 663 Views
i thought BSand said that the DO wasn't aware ... am I making that up? *NM* darius_sedai - 12/01/2010 05:24:26 PM 281 Views
Rand was captured and helpless... Etzel - 12/01/2010 05:41:20 PM 699 Views
That argument is wrong... fionwe1987 - 12/01/2010 10:48:57 PM 643 Views
Re: That argument is wrong... Datakim - 12/01/2010 11:10:14 PM 595 Views
Re: That argument is wrong... fionwe1987 - 13/01/2010 04:54:51 AM 686 Views
A rescue attempt at SG seems pretty difficult, though. And Min would be dead. Etzel - 13/01/2010 08:09:33 AM 589 Views
But Avi, Elayne and Alanna would be alive... fionwe1987 - 13/01/2010 05:53:18 PM 690 Views
Well... Etzel - 13/01/2010 06:01:35 PM 654 Views
Re: That argument is wrong... Datakim - 13/01/2010 11:02:05 AM 618 Views
I doubt... Etzel - 13/01/2010 08:05:24 AM 545 Views
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO USE THE TRUE POWER WITHOUT SHAI'TAN'S CONSENT. Tom - 12/01/2010 08:20:30 PM 623 Views
Maybe and maybe not Datakim - 12/01/2010 08:31:31 PM 602 Views
What Datakim said... Etzel - 12/01/2010 08:42:45 PM 658 Views
Funny when reading that chapter wheelwright - 13/01/2010 07:08:29 PM 718 Views
We will see. The revelation what was really going on will be very interesting in any case! *NM* Etzel - 14/01/2010 11:11:15 AM 289 Views
I predict we'll learn all about this in Graendal's ToM POV *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:16:21 PM 284 Views
I rather think we will learn this from Moridin. *NM* Etzel - 14/01/2010 06:29:32 PM 287 Views
you are likely correct *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:39:42 PM 318 Views
Re: Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown? Madman - 12/01/2010 02:23:28 PM 693 Views
Re: Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown? Watcher - 12/01/2010 04:07:47 PM 710 Views
But would the Shadow want her to do what Moghidien and Asmodean did? Ryan - 12/01/2010 04:44:42 PM 569 Views
IMO: Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/01/2010 03:43:16 PM 687 Views
I think... Etzel - 12/01/2010 04:52:00 PM 665 Views
I have doubts about this. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/01/2010 05:20:27 PM 668 Views
But why would the Shadow tell Cadsuane & Co.? Etzel - 12/01/2010 05:50:19 PM 633 Views
Because Semirhage was broken and may have revealed it to them under interrogation/spanking. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/01/2010 06:53:35 PM 294 Views
Hmm, I doubt that Semirhage knew this, since she was concentrated on the Seanchan & Rand. Etzel - 12/01/2010 07:12:45 PM 603 Views
I agree that it's much more likely that Sulin told them about Tam *NM* darius_sedai - 12/01/2010 07:30:32 PM 293 Views
Re: IMO: Yes. ajah - 17/01/2010 07:07:12 AM 527 Views
I don't think so, but that doesn't mean it was "for nothing". Tom - 12/01/2010 04:26:57 PM 636 Views
Just one Sidious - 12/01/2010 05:00:26 PM 649 Views
But already before her "breaking". *NM* Etzel - 12/01/2010 05:02:24 PM 274 Views
Yes Sidious - 12/01/2010 05:16:03 PM 604 Views
Re: Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown? darius_sedai - 12/01/2010 05:23:29 PM 657 Views
Re: Did Cadsuane actually get any secrets from Semirhage during her breakdown? ajah - 17/01/2010 07:08:29 AM 664 Views
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