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I disagree that Verin would have tried to create suspicion or discord. Gher Send a noteboard - 14/01/2010 03:16:32 AM


An interesting observation, but I do not think that Sorilea is a Darkfriend. Surely, Elza could have overheard that Cadsuane had the Domination Band or Semi could have deduced the same. It is not a giant step away from that to conclude that Cadsuane would keep the DB warded and hidden in her quarters. As an channeler from the AOL Semi could surely have the skill to detect and unravel the wards.

From Verin's comments above, she could also be just trying to create suspicion about the WO. Part of her orders perhaps?


Agreed that Verin could have just been creating suspicion too.

I just found it interesting when you combine it with the fact that only 2 women were shown to see where the DB was hidden and only one of them can Channel (and incidentally saw Cadsuane unweave her ward).


Not among Rand's allies. If Cadsuane and other AS had been scheming how best to manipulate or control Rand, yeah, Verin would have been all over that, giving bad advice and playing them all against each other. But she'd already decided that Cadsuane had Rand's best interests in mind, she didn't want to mess that up. Verin was Black, but that doesn't mean she was sabotaging the Dragon Reborn.
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A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 04:20:20 AM 2947 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 04:46:01 AM 1427 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 04:47:58 AM 1389 Views
I wondered at the phrasing of that passage ... Yondaime - 14/01/2010 03:41:36 AM 1218 Views
Heh, you ironically misspelled "spell" *NM* Gher - 14/01/2010 04:47:55 AM 716 Views
RJ was Aes Sedai to the core! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:33:45 AM 1333 Views
It's funny, but I know very few women (none) IRL who act like AS, but RJ definitely fits their MO RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 05:00:00 PM 1218 Views
I don't think I've ever heard a woman actually "sniff" at someone either darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:09:07 PM 1221 Views
I was under the impression that SH got the Band DREWRULESWOT! - 14/01/2010 09:10:48 AM 1186 Views
I, too, have suspicions ... Yondaime - 13/01/2010 06:11:12 AM 1407 Views
I agree! darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:13:10 AM 1199 Views
I doubt that there is anything in the book .... Yondaime - 14/01/2010 02:58:47 AM 1147 Views
Re: I doubt that there is anything in the book .... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:44:39 AM 1048 Views
Wow, you should add a spoiler alert to your thread. amirebram - 13/01/2010 06:36:45 AM 1247 Views
Why couldn't have Elza got them? brett014 - 13/01/2010 06:42:03 AM 1301 Views
Re: Didn't Shadar Haran free Semirage? BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 06:44:56 AM 1353 Views
IMO Bair is also a suspect darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:18:15 AM 1168 Views
SH has all kinds of strange powers NaClH2O - 14/01/2010 05:52:06 PM 995 Views
Yeah, SH is a wildcard BlackAdder - 15/01/2010 02:20:52 AM 1120 Views
Re: Why couldn't have Elza got them? amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:12:07 PM 1070 Views
It was brought up a while back in one of the earlier discussion threads BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 06:47:33 AM 1195 Views
The whole forum is full of spoilers *NM* darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:11:38 AM 664 Views
Be more careful. Spoilers are freely allowed now. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 13/01/2010 04:05:27 PM 658 Views
He didn't mean it as a tGS spoiler BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 04:09:17 PM 1085 Views
Exactly. I have this thing with theories ... amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:16:02 PM 1120 Views
then how do you read the forums at all? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 11:20:54 PM 1093 Views
With caution. amirebram - 14/01/2010 07:41:39 PM 1157 Views
I'm kind of the opposite I guess darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:50:36 PM 1136 Views
My gut feeling tells that Sorilea isn't a DF Etzel - 13/01/2010 11:24:33 AM 1338 Views
My gut agrees with your gut. *NM* Shishka - 13/01/2010 01:31:08 PM 562 Views
Great guts think alike! *NM* Etzel - 13/01/2010 03:06:29 PM 546 Views
And fool guts, seldom differ! *NM* Insomdeon - 13/01/2010 05:10:41 PM 594 Views
My gut would have gotten me killed in WOT amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:18:15 PM 1093 Views
Haha I love how the DFs are coming from all over the place! *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 04:57:19 PM 628 Views
Me neither Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:30:27 PM 1005 Views
I don't think so Sidious - 13/01/2010 06:02:40 PM 1165 Views
perhaps, but Semirhage is also in disgrace darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 06:53:04 PM 1085 Views
Actually it was very much like a DF amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:21:46 PM 1270 Views
I don't buy it Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:29:05 PM 1005 Views
the thread started by pointing out Verin implies Sorilea may not be on the same side... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:26:51 PM 1169 Views
Moiraine said as much to Egwene long before that Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:07:20 AM 1149 Views
we'll just have to RAFO darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 04:13:17 PM 984 Views
Actually, it's not about who stole it. It's about how Elza knew where it was AND amirebram - 15/01/2010 05:53:08 PM 1110 Views
Not quite, IMO BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 11:53:46 PM 1120 Views
and Verin told us that you could betray the FS if you could justify it darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 11:55:32 PM 1175 Views
Exactly BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 11:58:46 PM 1115 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? Gerbeaud - 13/01/2010 09:05:19 PM 981 Views
Elza already had the DB when she freed Semirhage from captivity darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 12:24:00 AM 1144 Views
Sorilea never saw the wards unraveled. And I'm pretty sure they were inverted. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 12:44:58 AM 1057 Views
inverted yes, but she was standing right there when Cadsuane unwove them darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 12:47:26 AM 1033 Views
As Sorilea closed the door behind the three of them, Cadsuane disarmed the box's traps. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 03:27:04 AM 1118 Views
Re: As Sorilea closed the door behind the three of them, Cadsuane disarmed the box's traps. darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:43:16 AM 1074 Views
Did you see what you wrote? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 03:12:58 PM 1141 Views
The point was that Sorilea knew two key pieces of information from that moment darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 03:38:27 PM 1015 Views
She knew only one, and that was known to Bair too... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 05:10:58 PM 1076 Views
Re: She knew only one, and that was known to Bair too... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:29:39 PM 1100 Views
How do you know Caddy embraced the source only then? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 07:35:00 PM 956 Views
so you contend that she was walking around holding the Source the whole time? darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:52:10 PM 1261 Views
Very possible. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:14:21 PM 473 Views
Bair is at least as strong a suspect darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:17:27 PM 1108 Views
I don't think Brandon's statement support your theory Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:34:21 PM 907 Views
That's a bit of a leap. darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:55:36 PM 806 Views
Re: I don't think Brandon's statement support your theory ajah - 17/01/2010 10:03:13 AM 1330 Views
Re: Elza already had the DB when she freed Semirhage from captivity Gerbeaud - 14/01/2010 02:42:47 AM 1135 Views
I think Bsand or RJ stated that Shaidar Haran could not do that himself, which is why he needed Elza darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:47:04 AM 1086 Views
I disagree that Verin would have tried to create suspicion or discord. Gher - 14/01/2010 03:16:32 AM 1144 Views
Yet Verin herself tells us that she did things for the Shadow... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:51:39 AM 1055 Views
Sure Gher - 14/01/2010 05:18:56 PM 1050 Views
certainly her intentions were to be one of the good guys darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:40:26 PM 981 Views
I agree. Gher - 14/01/2010 05:53:58 PM 1014 Views
this scene does happen before she is "sure" of Cadsuane darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:07:19 PM 947 Views
Alright. Gher - 14/01/2010 06:17:18 PM 1112 Views
This would be a great development. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 04:55:29 PM 1090 Views
that's exactly the type of foreshadowing I would expect kcf - 14/01/2010 06:48:25 PM 1139 Views
IMO either she or Bair are a DF darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:58:57 PM 1166 Views
this is pure RJ kcf - 14/01/2010 07:07:09 PM 1345 Views
True ... my personal fav is "if she's not BA she's the next thing to it" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:01:05 PM 1085 Views
Have we ever seen two different races of darkfriends working together? Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:46:48 PM 1032 Views
yes - Suroth and Liandrin *NM* kcf - 14/01/2010 08:49:16 PM 764 Views
Milli/Shiane, Carridin, Falion and Old Cully were all in cahoots at various points darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 1451 Views
Re: Milli/Shiane, Carridin, Falion and Old Cully were all in cahoots at various points Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:08:13 AM 8242 Views
and then SH shows up out of the goodness of his own heart? darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 04:14:42 PM 990 Views
Re: and then SH shows up out of the goodness of his own heart? Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:09:17 PM 1078 Views
I think they were told via a DF in the group that she had been broken darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:11:01 PM 1075 Views
Yes, Kadere and that Aiel chick. DREWRULESWOT! - 15/01/2010 12:15:42 AM 955 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? ajah - 17/01/2010 10:07:11 AM 1116 Views
I wish it were so, but one of the FAQ's destroys this clue Lord Haart - 17/01/2010 03:01:47 PM 1082 Views
there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 05:07:04 PM 1120 Views
Re: there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too Lord Haart - 17/01/2010 05:28:08 PM 1063 Views
Re: there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 05:34:58 PM 1083 Views
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