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I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM
I have thoughts ...

1. Brandon has confirmed that it is Verin's weave that is being alluded to here. I think Verin compelled those Sisters to support Rand, which was once again her underminding the BA. It also explains Elza's massive epiphany that she must help Rand reach the Last Battle.

2. She was told to tell Semirhage that she had Compulsion on her. This is most unusual. Firstly, it means that someone of immense skill delved her (Verin said she was the most Talented delver in the White Tower). Secondly, that person could not do it themselves. These two facts point to Shadar Haran, but he can only sense saidin or saidar, he can't tell what it is, and it's remarkable that he could sense such a minute amount in Elza hidden so deeply. It's also odd that he told Semirhage about it. My only thought here would be that it would help Semirhage explain any odd or unacceptable behaviour in Elza, which would prevent her from killing her for insubordination immediately. Yet, did Semirhage unravel this weave? She said it was very dangerous but she can do it. And yet, Elza later seems horrified at the situation she finds herself in - she even pleads to Semirhage. Either this is still the Compulsion in effect that Semirhage decided to leave, or Elza is shocked at Semirhage's cruelty and she can't handle it.

Thoughts?


Who else would be so skilled with Compulsion that she could tell what was going on? Who else of the FS was in the general area, knew where Semirhage was being held and has an extensive network of spies to sniff out the situation before she acted? Who else could have taught Elza special "AOL weaves"?

Cyndane and Moghedien could have been involved, but we know Moggy doesn't have a ton of skill with Compulsion and Cyndane seems unlikely to have been allowed near Rand

I think the text supports that Elza's Compulsion had been removed, there's a quote out there about "looking like she'd been hit in the head" and "red rimmed eyes" and wasn't Semirhage specifically told to remove it?
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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 1973 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 915 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 769 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 700 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 777 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 275 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 250 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 602 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 226 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 543 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 557 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 547 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 584 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 546 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 570 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 543 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 901 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 759 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 841 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 789 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 674 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 512 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 532 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 524 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 515 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 631 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 532 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 559 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 561 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 558 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 541 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 575 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 517 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 575 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 560 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 940 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 560 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 590 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 518 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 247 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 763 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 797 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 602 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 615 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 539 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 752 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 621 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 633 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 601 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 504 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 685 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 568 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 535 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 618 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 511 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 506 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 582 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 575 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 521 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 618 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 571 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 465 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 507 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 613 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 757 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 707 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 631 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 624 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 673 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 601 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 661 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 646 Views

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