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I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM
I have thoughts ...

1. Brandon has confirmed that it is Verin's weave that is being alluded to here. I think Verin compelled those Sisters to support Rand, which was once again her underminding the BA. It also explains Elza's massive epiphany that she must help Rand reach the Last Battle.

2. She was told to tell Semirhage that she had Compulsion on her. This is most unusual. Firstly, it means that someone of immense skill delved her (Verin said she was the most Talented delver in the White Tower). Secondly, that person could not do it themselves. These two facts point to Shadar Haran, but he can only sense saidin or saidar, he can't tell what it is, and it's remarkable that he could sense such a minute amount in Elza hidden so deeply. It's also odd that he told Semirhage about it. My only thought here would be that it would help Semirhage explain any odd or unacceptable behaviour in Elza, which would prevent her from killing her for insubordination immediately. Yet, did Semirhage unravel this weave? She said it was very dangerous but she can do it. And yet, Elza later seems horrified at the situation she finds herself in - she even pleads to Semirhage. Either this is still the Compulsion in effect that Semirhage decided to leave, or Elza is shocked at Semirhage's cruelty and she can't handle it.

Thoughts?


Who else would be so skilled with Compulsion that she could tell what was going on? Who else of the FS was in the general area, knew where Semirhage was being held and has an extensive network of spies to sniff out the situation before she acted? Who else could have taught Elza special "AOL weaves"?

Cyndane and Moghedien could have been involved, but we know Moggy doesn't have a ton of skill with Compulsion and Cyndane seems unlikely to have been allowed near Rand

I think the text supports that Elza's Compulsion had been removed, there's a quote out there about "looking like she'd been hit in the head" and "red rimmed eyes" and wasn't Semirhage specifically told to remove it?
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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 1951 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 896 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 740 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 680 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 745 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 269 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 242 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 583 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 218 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 516 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 537 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 526 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 563 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 528 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 549 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 523 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 882 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 741 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 822 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 767 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 652 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 493 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 513 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 504 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 495 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 612 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 514 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 539 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 541 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 534 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 522 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 557 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 495 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 554 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 539 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 918 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 536 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 557 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 496 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 241 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 743 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 777 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 581 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 593 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 516 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 734 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 601 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 606 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 578 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 484 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 663 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 548 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 516 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 599 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 492 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 487 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 562 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 557 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 499 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 598 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 554 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 444 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 487 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 592 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 734 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 689 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 607 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 605 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 652 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 583 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 641 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 630 Views

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