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Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM
Who else would be so skilled with Compulsion that she could tell what was going on? Who else of the FS was in the general area, knew where Semirhage was being held and has an extensive network of spies to sniff out the situation before she acted? Who else could have taught Elza special "AOL weaves"?


Hah! Very interesting. Plus, it would support Graendal's mission to make Rand feel pain...by using the Mistress of Pain to do it!

I think the text supports that Elza's Compulsion had been removed, there's a quote out there about "looking like she'd been hit in the head" and "red rimmed eyes" and wasn't Semirhage specifically told to remove it?


I somewhat thought those descriptions were showing how much it hurt her to have the Compulsion removed.
"Those who think they have no time for bodily exercise will sooner or later have to find time for illness."
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Elza's Compulsion Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 1973 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 915 Views
I disagree Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 769 Views
except work with Semirhage! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 700 Views
Well... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 777 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 275 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 250 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 602 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 226 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 543 Views
The question is... Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 557 Views
Re: The question is... darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 547 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 584 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 547 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 570 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 543 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 902 Views
I know... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 759 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 841 Views
That doesn't prove anything... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 789 Views
It proves enough for me ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 674 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 512 Views
not really darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 532 Views
I don't understand your theory Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 524 Views
It's very simple darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 515 Views
So in other words Sidious - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 631 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 532 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct Sidious - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 559 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 561 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 558 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 541 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 575 Views
But by this logic... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 517 Views
Yes... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 575 Views
While you are right... Etzel - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 560 Views
as we've discussed in another thread darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 940 Views
I mean... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 560 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 590 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 518 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 247 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 763 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 797 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 602 Views
I have a hard time... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 615 Views
I agree with you Sidious - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 539 Views
and you may very well be correct darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 752 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 621 Views
Anything is possible ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 633 Views
who knows darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 601 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... Shishka - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 504 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 685 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 568 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 535 Views
Good point! Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 618 Views
Re: Good point! Shishka - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 511 Views
I agree Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 506 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 582 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 575 Views
this makes my head hurt ... or maybe all that red wine I drank last night is doing that darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM 558 Views
damn double posting darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 522 Views
As it is often the case... Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 618 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 571 Views
Well... Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 465 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 507 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 614 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 757 Views
One point darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 707 Views
Re: One point Oberonus - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 631 Views
Elza truly believes that... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 624 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 673 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. Cannoli - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 601 Views
fair enough darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 661 Views
Not quite rAndy aL - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 646 Views
But that could mean that they were to start the LB between Rand and the Great Lord immediately *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 16/01/2010 01:04:32 PM 244 Views
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