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It proves enough for me ... Shishka Send a noteboard - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM
There's one reason why that wouldn't be true. The moment Graendal channeled to remove the compulsion, Semi would have sensed her. She would have suspected FS involvement in her escape, and smelled a trap.


That's just grasping at straws, IMHO. We don't know that Semi would have felt Graendal - it depends on a whole lot of things we have no idea about. Where did SH meet with Elza initially? Was it near enough to Semi that she'd have felt if Graendal channeled? Even if it was near enough, perhaps SH could have prevented Semi from feeling anything - we know he has special abilities with blocking Shadow minions from the True Source. And, even IF Semi felt something, she'd have had no idea what it was. For all she would know, it could simply be Nynaeve channeling. To suggest that she would immediately leap to the conclusion that another FS was nearby, and that she was being set up, is highly implausible.

Not to mention ... if Semi could have felt Graendal remove the Compulsion, then she could have felt her delve Elza, too. There's no reason to think that the delving would be safer than the removing, which is essentially what you are suggesting.
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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 2014 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 952 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 821 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 752 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 850 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 295 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 268 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 644 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 245 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 583 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 601 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 587 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 646 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 583 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 628 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 586 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 958 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 811 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 903 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 830 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 738 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 554 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 574 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 561 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 552 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 672 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 575 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 600 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 596 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 602 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 581 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 616 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 561 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 615 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 599 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 989 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 600 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 634 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 556 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 266 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 819 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 844 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 655 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 660 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 591 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 802 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 662 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 674 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 639 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 548 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 728 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 614 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 579 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 658 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 556 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 540 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 623 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 616 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 562 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 657 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 610 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 507 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 548 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 655 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 810 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 743 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 670 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 664 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 715 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 639 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 701 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 681 Views

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