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Re: Good point! Shishka Send a noteboard - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM
Doesn't make much sense that Graendal was there - apparently on SH's orders - but still Elza is essential for SH getting things done. Graendal could have fetch the DM; and as you said, remove the Compulsion from Elza.


Agreed. Even if one of the other female Forsaken DID teach Elza those rare weaves (say in TAR, like darius suggested, where the teacher could not remove Elza's Compulsion), it just means that the teacher was briefly involved with Elza, not with what happened to Semirhage afterwards.

But I agree with you. Everything BS has said about the Semirhage incident suggests that only SH and Elza were involved there, at the house where Semirhage was beeing kept.

Apparently there is more to SH's powers that we don't know yet.


Yep. And my guess is, whatever the extent of those powers, he only has them over Shadow minions. BS said "Shaidar Haran has special power over those that swear to the Dark One", which sort of suggests that he doesn't have that power over those who haven't sworn to the DO (which I thought might be the case, even before BS's quote).

For example, I suspect that SH can't make the True Source disappear when he's around ANY channeler, just those who have sworn to the DO. Otherwise, it makes him too powerful, IMO. Imagine what he could do if he could simply materialize in Rand's room, and make the True Source disappear from Rand. Too easy.
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
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is really just a circle.

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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 1973 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 914 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 769 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 699 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 776 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 275 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 250 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 601 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 225 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 543 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 556 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 546 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 584 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 546 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 570 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 543 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 901 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 759 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 840 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 788 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 673 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 511 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 531 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 524 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 515 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 631 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 532 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 559 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 561 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 558 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 540 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 575 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 516 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 575 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 560 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 939 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 560 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 590 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 518 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 247 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 763 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 797 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 602 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 615 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 539 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 752 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 620 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 633 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 600 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 504 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 685 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 568 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 535 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 617 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 511 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 505 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 581 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 574 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 521 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 617 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 570 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 465 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 507 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 613 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 756 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 706 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 631 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 623 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 672 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 601 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 661 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 645 Views

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