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Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM
That scenario is much more plausible, I think, than the one that places Graendal (or any other FS) in the manor with SH.

In fact, if it weren't for BS's Q&A comments on the matter, I'd think this was the most likely scenario. It's just that, BS's comments seem to imply that it was SH who gave her the knowledge of the weaves. So, if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on SH (even though it does give him some new funky mind powers). But I wouldn't bet a lot, because I'm far from certain.


I don't read that into his quote at all ... all he really said was that Elza was given knowledge of weaves... there is nothing in his quotes that I've seen that says anything about SH personally giving her this knowledge... of course there's nothing to say he didn't either, I just think the simple explanation is that one of the FS women taught her.


The only way Graendal would have known that teaching Elza was in line with her instructions (and therefore that we, the readers, should associate her involvement as such) is if she'd been told what was going to happen after Elza learned the weaves. But, I highly doubt she'd have been told that information - there would be no reason to tell her, and the Shadow is not known for its willingness to share information with those minions who are not in a need-to-know position.

Still, if there was a teacher, Granedal, Cyndane, and Moggy are the most likely candidates. And (presumably) you're right about Graendal being closest in proximity, of the 3.


Graendal is smart, so if she was told to teach Elza (who she must know is with Rand) these weaves it's not much of a stretch to see how they fit into what she's been told to do...
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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 2086 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 1006 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 886 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 810 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 937 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 321 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 287 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 693 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 264 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 639 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 650 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 643 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 716 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 639 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 688 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 639 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 1019 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 869 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 960 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 890 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 804 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 610 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 645 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 617 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 609 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 735 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 628 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 658 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 645 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 685 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 647 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 666 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 605 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 661 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 649 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 1047 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 649 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 688 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 608 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 288 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 868 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 888 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 716 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 708 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 654 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 864 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 718 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 726 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 691 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 604 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 788 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 670 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 631 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 716 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 606 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 589 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 673 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 683 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 606 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 706 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 664 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 559 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 605 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 711 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 892 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 786 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 716 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 720 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 777 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 701 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 751 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 726 Views

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