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Re: there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 17/01/2010 05:34:58 PM
Elza certainly did the retrieving, but that doesn't explain how she knew where to find the Domination Bands, only Bair of Sorilea could have told her that.


Only Bair or Sorilea knew that they were in that box, yes, and on Sorilea could have seen the weaves. I think Bair is more or less ruled out by the fact that even Elza could have guessed that Cadsuane had the bracelets.

However, the fact that the Male CK was not stolen points to the presence of SH being the mastermind. We know the Domination Band emanates sadness - it's not a stretch to imagine that SH could sense this.

Thanks for the reply though - good to know that the quote had been taken into consideration in this debate (haven't got time just now to read the entire debate so far).


Yeah, it's been discussed quite a bit... hard to say what really happened, the Ward was inverted so Sorilea couldn't actually see Cadsuane unravel it, but the box was hidden and a little banged up so it's hard to say that Elza would have known where to look without being told.

Interesting thought that SH could sense the emanating sadness ... do we actually know that the duplicates emanate sadness or was that only the original that Nynaeve touched?
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A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 04:20:20 AM 2926 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 04:46:01 AM 1404 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 04:47:58 AM 1362 Views
I wondered at the phrasing of that passage ... Yondaime - 14/01/2010 03:41:36 AM 1190 Views
Heh, you ironically misspelled "spell" *NM* Gher - 14/01/2010 04:47:55 AM 700 Views
RJ was Aes Sedai to the core! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:33:45 AM 1311 Views
It's funny, but I know very few women (none) IRL who act like AS, but RJ definitely fits their MO RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 05:00:00 PM 1187 Views
I don't think I've ever heard a woman actually "sniff" at someone either darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:09:07 PM 1190 Views
I was under the impression that SH got the Band DREWRULESWOT! - 14/01/2010 09:10:48 AM 1159 Views
I, too, have suspicions ... Yondaime - 13/01/2010 06:11:12 AM 1357 Views
I agree! darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:13:10 AM 1162 Views
I doubt that there is anything in the book .... Yondaime - 14/01/2010 02:58:47 AM 1125 Views
Re: I doubt that there is anything in the book .... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:44:39 AM 1018 Views
Wow, you should add a spoiler alert to your thread. amirebram - 13/01/2010 06:36:45 AM 1221 Views
Why couldn't have Elza got them? brett014 - 13/01/2010 06:42:03 AM 1279 Views
Re: Didn't Shadar Haran free Semirage? BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 06:44:56 AM 1311 Views
IMO Bair is also a suspect darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:18:15 AM 1136 Views
SH has all kinds of strange powers NaClH2O - 14/01/2010 05:52:06 PM 952 Views
Yeah, SH is a wildcard BlackAdder - 15/01/2010 02:20:52 AM 1097 Views
Re: Why couldn't have Elza got them? amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:12:07 PM 1043 Views
It was brought up a while back in one of the earlier discussion threads BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 06:47:33 AM 1170 Views
The whole forum is full of spoilers *NM* darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:11:38 AM 652 Views
Be more careful. Spoilers are freely allowed now. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 13/01/2010 04:05:27 PM 643 Views
He didn't mean it as a tGS spoiler BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 04:09:17 PM 1051 Views
Exactly. I have this thing with theories ... amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:16:02 PM 1093 Views
then how do you read the forums at all? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 11:20:54 PM 1050 Views
With caution. amirebram - 14/01/2010 07:41:39 PM 1133 Views
I'm kind of the opposite I guess darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:50:36 PM 1103 Views
My gut feeling tells that Sorilea isn't a DF Etzel - 13/01/2010 11:24:33 AM 1308 Views
My gut agrees with your gut. *NM* Shishka - 13/01/2010 01:31:08 PM 550 Views
Great guts think alike! *NM* Etzel - 13/01/2010 03:06:29 PM 533 Views
And fool guts, seldom differ! *NM* Insomdeon - 13/01/2010 05:10:41 PM 578 Views
My gut would have gotten me killed in WOT amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:18:15 PM 1066 Views
Haha I love how the DFs are coming from all over the place! *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 04:57:19 PM 613 Views
Me neither Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:30:27 PM 981 Views
I don't think so Sidious - 13/01/2010 06:02:40 PM 1134 Views
perhaps, but Semirhage is also in disgrace darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 06:53:04 PM 1059 Views
Actually it was very much like a DF amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:21:46 PM 1245 Views
I don't buy it Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:29:05 PM 977 Views
the thread started by pointing out Verin implies Sorilea may not be on the same side... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:26:51 PM 1119 Views
Moiraine said as much to Egwene long before that Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:07:20 AM 1122 Views
we'll just have to RAFO darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 04:13:17 PM 950 Views
Actually, it's not about who stole it. It's about how Elza knew where it was AND amirebram - 15/01/2010 05:53:08 PM 1088 Views
Not quite, IMO BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 11:53:46 PM 1091 Views
and Verin told us that you could betray the FS if you could justify it darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 11:55:32 PM 1149 Views
Exactly BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 11:58:46 PM 1082 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? Gerbeaud - 13/01/2010 09:05:19 PM 952 Views
Elza already had the DB when she freed Semirhage from captivity darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 12:24:00 AM 1121 Views
Sorilea never saw the wards unraveled. And I'm pretty sure they were inverted. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 12:44:58 AM 1010 Views
inverted yes, but she was standing right there when Cadsuane unwove them darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 12:47:26 AM 996 Views
As Sorilea closed the door behind the three of them, Cadsuane disarmed the box's traps. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 03:27:04 AM 1092 Views
Re: As Sorilea closed the door behind the three of them, Cadsuane disarmed the box's traps. darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:43:16 AM 1043 Views
Did you see what you wrote? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 03:12:58 PM 1102 Views
The point was that Sorilea knew two key pieces of information from that moment darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 03:38:27 PM 982 Views
She knew only one, and that was known to Bair too... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 05:10:58 PM 1047 Views
Re: She knew only one, and that was known to Bair too... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:29:39 PM 1072 Views
How do you know Caddy embraced the source only then? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 07:35:00 PM 933 Views
so you contend that she was walking around holding the Source the whole time? darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:52:10 PM 1211 Views
Very possible. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:14:21 PM 459 Views
Bair is at least as strong a suspect darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:17:27 PM 1070 Views
I don't think Brandon's statement support your theory Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:34:21 PM 880 Views
That's a bit of a leap. darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:55:36 PM 779 Views
Re: I don't think Brandon's statement support your theory ajah - 17/01/2010 10:03:13 AM 1296 Views
Re: Elza already had the DB when she freed Semirhage from captivity Gerbeaud - 14/01/2010 02:42:47 AM 1098 Views
I think Bsand or RJ stated that Shaidar Haran could not do that himself, which is why he needed Elza darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:47:04 AM 1052 Views
I disagree that Verin would have tried to create suspicion or discord. Gher - 14/01/2010 03:16:32 AM 1115 Views
Yet Verin herself tells us that she did things for the Shadow... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:51:39 AM 1025 Views
Sure Gher - 14/01/2010 05:18:56 PM 1025 Views
certainly her intentions were to be one of the good guys darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:40:26 PM 958 Views
I agree. Gher - 14/01/2010 05:53:58 PM 971 Views
this scene does happen before she is "sure" of Cadsuane darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:07:19 PM 912 Views
Alright. Gher - 14/01/2010 06:17:18 PM 1085 Views
This would be a great development. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 04:55:29 PM 1058 Views
that's exactly the type of foreshadowing I would expect kcf - 14/01/2010 06:48:25 PM 1093 Views
IMO either she or Bair are a DF darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:58:57 PM 1134 Views
this is pure RJ kcf - 14/01/2010 07:07:09 PM 1302 Views
True ... my personal fav is "if she's not BA she's the next thing to it" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:01:05 PM 1062 Views
Have we ever seen two different races of darkfriends working together? Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:46:48 PM 997 Views
yes - Suroth and Liandrin *NM* kcf - 14/01/2010 08:49:16 PM 737 Views
Milli/Shiane, Carridin, Falion and Old Cully were all in cahoots at various points darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 1419 Views
Re: Milli/Shiane, Carridin, Falion and Old Cully were all in cahoots at various points Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:08:13 AM 8217 Views
and then SH shows up out of the goodness of his own heart? darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 04:14:42 PM 962 Views
Re: and then SH shows up out of the goodness of his own heart? Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:09:17 PM 1049 Views
I think they were told via a DF in the group that she had been broken darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:11:01 PM 1042 Views
Yes, Kadere and that Aiel chick. DREWRULESWOT! - 15/01/2010 12:15:42 AM 927 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? ajah - 17/01/2010 10:07:11 AM 1073 Views
I wish it were so, but one of the FAQ's destroys this clue Lord Haart - 17/01/2010 03:01:47 PM 1058 Views
there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 05:07:04 PM 1096 Views
Re: there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too Lord Haart - 17/01/2010 05:28:08 PM 1041 Views
Re: there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 05:34:58 PM 1044 Views
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