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Re: there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 17/01/2010 05:34:58 PM
Elza certainly did the retrieving, but that doesn't explain how she knew where to find the Domination Bands, only Bair of Sorilea could have told her that.


Only Bair or Sorilea knew that they were in that box, yes, and on Sorilea could have seen the weaves. I think Bair is more or less ruled out by the fact that even Elza could have guessed that Cadsuane had the bracelets.

However, the fact that the Male CK was not stolen points to the presence of SH being the mastermind. We know the Domination Band emanates sadness - it's not a stretch to imagine that SH could sense this.

Thanks for the reply though - good to know that the quote had been taken into consideration in this debate (haven't got time just now to read the entire debate so far).


Yeah, it's been discussed quite a bit... hard to say what really happened, the Ward was inverted so Sorilea couldn't actually see Cadsuane unravel it, but the box was hidden and a little banged up so it's hard to say that Elza would have known where to look without being told.

Interesting thought that SH could sense the emanating sadness ... do we actually know that the duplicates emanate sadness or was that only the original that Nynaeve touched?
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A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 04:20:20 AM 3003 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 04:46:01 AM 1505 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 04:47:58 AM 1450 Views
I wondered at the phrasing of that passage ... Yondaime - 14/01/2010 03:41:36 AM 1280 Views
Heh, you ironically misspelled "spell" *NM* Gher - 14/01/2010 04:47:55 AM 736 Views
RJ was Aes Sedai to the core! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:33:45 AM 1402 Views
It's funny, but I know very few women (none) IRL who act like AS, but RJ definitely fits their MO RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 05:00:00 PM 1274 Views
I don't think I've ever heard a woman actually "sniff" at someone either darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:09:07 PM 1281 Views
I was under the impression that SH got the Band DREWRULESWOT! - 14/01/2010 09:10:48 AM 1236 Views
I, too, have suspicions ... Yondaime - 13/01/2010 06:11:12 AM 1456 Views
I agree! darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:13:10 AM 1258 Views
I doubt that there is anything in the book .... Yondaime - 14/01/2010 02:58:47 AM 1209 Views
Re: I doubt that there is anything in the book .... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:44:39 AM 1094 Views
Wow, you should add a spoiler alert to your thread. amirebram - 13/01/2010 06:36:45 AM 1306 Views
Why couldn't have Elza got them? brett014 - 13/01/2010 06:42:03 AM 1360 Views
Re: Didn't Shadar Haran free Semirage? BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 06:44:56 AM 1415 Views
IMO Bair is also a suspect darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:18:15 AM 1217 Views
SH has all kinds of strange powers NaClH2O - 14/01/2010 05:52:06 PM 1046 Views
Yeah, SH is a wildcard BlackAdder - 15/01/2010 02:20:52 AM 1178 Views
Re: Why couldn't have Elza got them? amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:12:07 PM 1125 Views
It was brought up a while back in one of the earlier discussion threads BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 06:47:33 AM 1248 Views
The whole forum is full of spoilers *NM* darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:11:38 AM 685 Views
Be more careful. Spoilers are freely allowed now. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 13/01/2010 04:05:27 PM 682 Views
He didn't mean it as a tGS spoiler BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 04:09:17 PM 1156 Views
Exactly. I have this thing with theories ... amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:16:02 PM 1175 Views
then how do you read the forums at all? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 11:20:54 PM 1156 Views
With caution. amirebram - 14/01/2010 07:41:39 PM 1213 Views
I'm kind of the opposite I guess darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:50:36 PM 1185 Views
My gut feeling tells that Sorilea isn't a DF Etzel - 13/01/2010 11:24:33 AM 1399 Views
My gut agrees with your gut. *NM* Shishka - 13/01/2010 01:31:08 PM 585 Views
Great guts think alike! *NM* Etzel - 13/01/2010 03:06:29 PM 566 Views
And fool guts, seldom differ! *NM* Insomdeon - 13/01/2010 05:10:41 PM 627 Views
My gut would have gotten me killed in WOT amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:18:15 PM 1155 Views
Haha I love how the DFs are coming from all over the place! *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 04:57:19 PM 651 Views
Me neither Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:30:27 PM 1061 Views
I don't think so Sidious - 13/01/2010 06:02:40 PM 1218 Views
perhaps, but Semirhage is also in disgrace darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 06:53:04 PM 1146 Views
Actually it was very much like a DF amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:21:46 PM 1316 Views
I don't buy it Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:29:05 PM 1056 Views
the thread started by pointing out Verin implies Sorilea may not be on the same side... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:26:51 PM 1222 Views
Moiraine said as much to Egwene long before that Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:07:20 AM 1203 Views
we'll just have to RAFO darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 04:13:17 PM 1042 Views
Actually, it's not about who stole it. It's about how Elza knew where it was AND amirebram - 15/01/2010 05:53:08 PM 1168 Views
Not quite, IMO BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 11:53:46 PM 1185 Views
and Verin told us that you could betray the FS if you could justify it darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 11:55:32 PM 1241 Views
Exactly BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 11:58:46 PM 1168 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? Gerbeaud - 13/01/2010 09:05:19 PM 1036 Views
Elza already had the DB when she freed Semirhage from captivity darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 12:24:00 AM 1205 Views
Sorilea never saw the wards unraveled. And I'm pretty sure they were inverted. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 12:44:58 AM 1116 Views
inverted yes, but she was standing right there when Cadsuane unwove them darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 12:47:26 AM 1094 Views
As Sorilea closed the door behind the three of them, Cadsuane disarmed the box's traps. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 03:27:04 AM 1178 Views
Re: As Sorilea closed the door behind the three of them, Cadsuane disarmed the box's traps. darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:43:16 AM 1136 Views
Did you see what you wrote? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 03:12:58 PM 1200 Views
The point was that Sorilea knew two key pieces of information from that moment darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 03:38:27 PM 1070 Views
She knew only one, and that was known to Bair too... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 05:10:58 PM 1145 Views
Re: She knew only one, and that was known to Bair too... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:29:39 PM 1164 Views
How do you know Caddy embraced the source only then? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 07:35:00 PM 1010 Views
so you contend that she was walking around holding the Source the whole time? darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:52:10 PM 1318 Views
Very possible. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:14:21 PM 506 Views
Bair is at least as strong a suspect darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:17:27 PM 1166 Views
I don't think Brandon's statement support your theory Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:34:21 PM 963 Views
That's a bit of a leap. darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:55:36 PM 854 Views
Re: I don't think Brandon's statement support your theory ajah - 17/01/2010 10:03:13 AM 1399 Views
Re: Elza already had the DB when she freed Semirhage from captivity Gerbeaud - 14/01/2010 02:42:47 AM 1200 Views
I think Bsand or RJ stated that Shaidar Haran could not do that himself, which is why he needed Elza darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:47:04 AM 1139 Views
I disagree that Verin would have tried to create suspicion or discord. Gher - 14/01/2010 03:16:32 AM 1205 Views
Yet Verin herself tells us that she did things for the Shadow... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:51:39 AM 1106 Views
Sure Gher - 14/01/2010 05:18:56 PM 1110 Views
certainly her intentions were to be one of the good guys darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:40:26 PM 1029 Views
I agree. Gher - 14/01/2010 05:53:58 PM 1073 Views
this scene does happen before she is "sure" of Cadsuane darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:07:19 PM 1003 Views
Alright. Gher - 14/01/2010 06:17:18 PM 1173 Views
This would be a great development. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 04:55:29 PM 1152 Views
that's exactly the type of foreshadowing I would expect kcf - 14/01/2010 06:48:25 PM 1197 Views
IMO either she or Bair are a DF darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:58:57 PM 1220 Views
this is pure RJ kcf - 14/01/2010 07:07:09 PM 1431 Views
True ... my personal fav is "if she's not BA she's the next thing to it" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:01:05 PM 1140 Views
Have we ever seen two different races of darkfriends working together? Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:46:48 PM 1091 Views
yes - Suroth and Liandrin *NM* kcf - 14/01/2010 08:49:16 PM 822 Views
Milli/Shiane, Carridin, Falion and Old Cully were all in cahoots at various points darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 1525 Views
Re: Milli/Shiane, Carridin, Falion and Old Cully were all in cahoots at various points Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:08:13 AM 8302 Views
and then SH shows up out of the goodness of his own heart? darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 04:14:42 PM 1048 Views
Re: and then SH shows up out of the goodness of his own heart? Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:09:17 PM 1148 Views
I think they were told via a DF in the group that she had been broken darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:11:01 PM 1124 Views
Yes, Kadere and that Aiel chick. DREWRULESWOT! - 15/01/2010 12:15:42 AM 1018 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? ajah - 17/01/2010 10:07:11 AM 1198 Views
I wish it were so, but one of the FAQ's destroys this clue Lord Haart - 17/01/2010 03:01:47 PM 1146 Views
there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 05:07:04 PM 1182 Views
Re: there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too Lord Haart - 17/01/2010 05:28:08 PM 1122 Views
Re: there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 05:34:58 PM 1138 Views
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