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Good point ... Shishka Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM
That's not always true, actually. Egwene wove spirit into the rod herself, as did Romanda, IIRC.


Yeah, I think you're right. I couldn't remember if it happened the way I said in every instance, but I was pretty sure that was the "normal" practice.

It is very possible that with 300 or so channelers to test, Egwene allowed them to channel spirit into the Rod themselves, rather than channeling for hours on end.


It didn't have to be the same person who channeled for hours. Egwene could have had the person who was just Bound be the channeler of Spirit for the next Bindee, for example.

But the bottom line is, we don't know how it was done. It's possible the Bindees channeled themselves.

Personally, though, I'd prefer the idea of some kind of inverted glove that prevented Mesaana from touching the OR.


Me too - that's the best suggestion I've seen, so far.
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.

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Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Shishka - 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM 2973 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM 1542 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye HyogaRott - 18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM 1479 Views
I like that idea ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1344 Views
A little archaic though Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:58:04 PM 1347 Views
Just because she's an academic ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:27:50 PM 1459 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Shishka - 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM 1344 Views
I don't think Messana would have fallen over dead Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:06:35 PM 1384 Views
I agree ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM 1283 Views
I'm not sure Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM 1282 Views
It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM 1163 Views
Hmmm ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM 1289 Views
No she unswore them and retook them darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM 1327 Views
Yeah, I realized that after I posted, so I editted my post (again) ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:36:39 PM 1298 Views
I'm not sure I follow darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM 1352 Views
The point I was trying to make was ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM 1101 Views
Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM 1114 Views
Yes, this is what I was thinking *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:29:20 PM 535 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM 1106 Views
yup darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM 990 Views
I'm with you, though ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM 1308 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM 1183 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM 538 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:02:09 PM 1126 Views
Also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:13:38 PM 1119 Views
I considered that ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM 1227 Views
I doubt we'll ever really know darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM 1163 Views
Re: I'm not sure Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM 1223 Views
interesting darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM 1012 Views
Re: interesting Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM 1143 Views
see above *NM* darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:23:28 PM 573 Views
I think it more like aging them faster... PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:24:56 PM 1201 Views
and given how things in the AoL works this seems far more likely darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:32:52 PM 1170 Views
Re: I'm not sure HyogaRott - 20/01/2010 12:59:27 PM 1168 Views
She's not immortal ... yet darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:15:03 PM 1029 Views
The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM* Kieran - 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM 555 Views
No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM 1067 Views
But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM 527 Views
Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM 537 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. Kieran - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 1285 Views
actually it's different darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM 1192 Views
actually I think it's the same... Kieran - 23/01/2010 01:49:19 AM 870 Views
Nup. Unlike the FS, her mark will not allow her to order Darkspawn (plus more). *NM* Lord Haart - 23/01/2010 11:50:36 AM 556 Views
Which has nothing to do with my post regarding the Oath rod... *NM* Kieran - 24/01/2010 10:44:59 PM 554 Views
One point... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM 1311 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM 1079 Views
here's another quote that gives us darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:12:09 PM 1375 Views
FYI ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:50:22 PM 1210 Views
Re: FYI ... Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:56:02 PM 1290 Views
Therava channeled the flow, in that case ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:11:00 PM 964 Views
Yes Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 1061 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Datakim - 18/01/2010 06:10:45 PM 1124 Views
Re: Replacing it with a fake Logain - 18/01/2010 06:22:33 PM 1100 Views
I highly doubt it ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:23:55 PM 1142 Views
Why not ask somebody else to stand in for you? Artsapat - 19/01/2010 07:55:39 PM 1168 Views
I like this idea. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:11:51 AM 515 Views
I agree... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:55:33 PM 1264 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod randfandom - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 1290 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM 1073 Views
Right, and also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 1082 Views
Except that the best way to 'defeat' the Oath rod is - not to take the Oaths at all Lord Haart - 19/01/2010 03:18:43 AM 1018 Views
IMHO... Great Lord of Chaos - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 1298 Views
Another interesting possibility Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM 1086 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM* Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM 485 Views
We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM 1184 Views
Oh, I agree ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM 943 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 1112 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 1130 Views
I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM 1224 Views
she could just be posing as a non-channeler. badassashaman - 19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM 1086 Views
If RJ/Brandon lied about that... then maybe Demandred is Taim after all. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM 504 Views
To speak no word that is not true Tor - 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM 1124 Views
Could there be a true word, though? Camilla - 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM 1484 Views
I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM 1050 Views
Or would just be able to say "true, true. True true true, true true." etc. *NM* Lord Haart - 21/01/2010 06:17:20 PM 525 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem... darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM 1425 Views
Nice find! Not sure if that is a "way to defeat the Oath Rod" exactly, but it's certainly feasible. Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:19:51 AM 1257 Views
Wow, that's great. I wonder what else can be created there, like sa'angeals, etc. BlackAdder - 20/01/2010 03:54:01 AM 1043 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM 1139 Views
Yes Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM 1137 Views
Agreed - our guts are thinking alike again. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 03:12:30 PM 526 Views
Indeed Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:28:12 PM 999 Views
Oh I agree! I just thought it was funny that RJ made such a quote darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:20:09 PM 1170 Views
In the AoL... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 1194 Views
Re: In the AoL... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:17:55 PM 979 Views
I was thinking this too Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM 1175 Views
Still seems like two oaths, to me, due to the "and" ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:27:03 PM 1062 Views
The "and" means nothing... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 08:01:27 PM 975 Views
Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Great Lord of Chaos - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 1348 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM 1013 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Mikerad - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 1167 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 1071 Views
It can't be that easy ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 1094 Views
maybe she warded herself before goin in or just set her frame of mind to beat it *NM* nigelgoboom - 21/01/2010 02:07:17 AM 569 Views
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