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But by this logic... Etzel Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM
Q. Was the Compulsion which Elza told Semirhage about, Verin's work from after Dumai's Wells, and was it Shaidar Haran who told her about it and to ask Semirhage to remove it?
A. Yes.


It seems like SH discovered the Compulsion and told her to inform Semirhage about it.


SH could have found this out from Graendal and told Elza. Nothing in this statement precludes that.


One could also argue that a renegade Eelfinn gave Elza this knowledge, or something like that, simply because this statement doesn't preclude it. The point is that nothing suggests that Graendal was involved, and since this idea actually differs from what we see in the book, namely only SH and Elza present, one has to give evidence for this Graendal-idea if one thinks it's that likely. As said, also all of BS's other quotes on this topic indicate that only SH and Elza were involved, because only they are mentioned.
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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 1973 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 914 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 769 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 699 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 777 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 275 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 250 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 601 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 225 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 543 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 556 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 546 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 584 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 546 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 570 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 543 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 901 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 759 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 840 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 788 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 674 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 511 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 532 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 524 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 515 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 631 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 532 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 559 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 561 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 558 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 541 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 575 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 517 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 575 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 560 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 940 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 560 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 590 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 518 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 247 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 763 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 797 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 602 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 615 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 539 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 752 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 620 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 633 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 600 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 504 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 685 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 568 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 535 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 617 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 511 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 505 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 582 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 575 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 521 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 618 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 571 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 465 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 507 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 613 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 756 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 707 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 631 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 624 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 672 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 601 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 661 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 646 Views

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