Re: I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory...
Shishka Send a noteboard - 20/01/2010 07:43:28 PM
Remember, as far as we know BS only has a strength list with 21 levels on it. By all accounts, he doesn't really know HOW MUCH stronger one channeler is than another. As in, he knows channelers are 1 or 2 or 5 levels stronger than other channelers, but he doesn't know whether they're 25% stronger, 50% stronger or 100% stronger.
So, when BS first made the comment about Cyndane being VERY weak, it was because he still didn't have Maria's understanding of the VAST strength gap between Lanfear and Moiraine.
So, when BS first made the comment about Cyndane being VERY weak, it was because he still didn't have Maria's understanding of the VAST strength gap between Lanfear and Moiraine.
But he should have known that Cyndane is stronger than Graendal - that's in the books (from Graendal's own PoV, in fact). That would narrow her level to probably 1 or 2 places on RJ's scale.
I guess he just forgot that part, otherwise he'd have never thought she was "very weak" to begin with.
All BS knew, was that the amount of Power that Lanfear lost, was enough to make Moiraine stronger than say Cadsuane.
So, if BS thought Cadsuane was a pretty strong channeler, say close to Forsaken strength, then he would think that for Moiraine to gain so much, and Lanfear to lose so much, would make Cyndane very weak.
As an example, I believe that if Lanfear has 100 strength, then Cadsuane has around 35 and Moiraine has around 30. But if BS had an incorrect understanding of this, he might have thought that if Lanfear is at 100, then Cadsuane is at 80 and Moiraine is at 50. So, for Moiraine to exceed Cadsuane, she might have to go up to 90, a gain of 40 units of strength. If that same amount had to come off of Lanfear, then Cyndane would now be on only 60 strength.
In reality, however, we know that Moiraine doesn't have to gain much to surpass Cadsuane, and therefore Cyndane doesn't have to be much lower than Lanfear to have transferred that portion of her strength to Moiraine.
So, if BS thought Cadsuane was a pretty strong channeler, say close to Forsaken strength, then he would think that for Moiraine to gain so much, and Lanfear to lose so much, would make Cyndane very weak.
As an example, I believe that if Lanfear has 100 strength, then Cadsuane has around 35 and Moiraine has around 30. But if BS had an incorrect understanding of this, he might have thought that if Lanfear is at 100, then Cadsuane is at 80 and Moiraine is at 50. So, for Moiraine to exceed Cadsuane, she might have to go up to 90, a gain of 40 units of strength. If that same amount had to come off of Lanfear, then Cyndane would now be on only 60 strength.
In reality, however, we know that Moiraine doesn't have to gain much to surpass Cadsuane, and therefore Cyndane doesn't have to be much lower than Lanfear to have transferred that portion of her strength to Moiraine.
If your theory is right about Lanfear losing power to Moiraine, then I see what you mean.
I just think your theory is unlikely. I don't believe the 'Finn have the power to transfer strength in the OP from one channeler to the other (is that what you're suggesting?), and I don't see any other way what you suggest could have happened.
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.
-BHT&tM
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.
-BHT&tM
My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven.
20/01/2010 05:12:58 PM
- 2875 Views
It was discussed
20/01/2010 05:27:43 PM
- 1209 Views
Re: It was discussed
20/01/2010 07:09:01 PM
- 992 Views
Maybe...
20/01/2010 07:15:57 PM
- 930 Views
Re: Maybe...
20/01/2010 08:53:47 PM
- 988 Views
That doesn't really jive with Aran'gar though
20/01/2010 09:03:35 PM
- 929 Views
But...
20/01/2010 09:11:47 PM
- 903 Views
I think it's pretty obvious that pretty much any man is going to be
20/01/2010 09:41:40 PM
- 855 Views
Maybe there is a difference between male souls and female souls ...
20/01/2010 09:35:57 PM
- 932 Views
Plausible
20/01/2010 09:45:21 PM
- 1029 Views
Actually, I didn't mean to imply that my idea of female strength is related to body size ...
20/01/2010 10:10:48 PM
- 908 Views
It's NOT due to Stilling or Healing and it's NOT due to Cyndane's weaker body...
20/01/2010 06:46:08 PM
- 1032 Views
I think Moiraine's gaining strength seems a little too LotR.
20/01/2010 06:55:34 PM
- 937 Views
I think Moraine gaining strength is VERY LotR. That's why I think RJ went with it... *NM*
20/01/2010 06:57:39 PM
- 567 Views
I also like that theory
20/01/2010 07:14:20 PM
- 966 Views
I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory...
20/01/2010 07:17:59 PM
- 933 Views
Cadsuane is considerably stronger than Moiraine
20/01/2010 07:31:42 PM
- 940 Views
Nope...
20/01/2010 07:38:55 PM
- 923 Views
I disagree as usual
20/01/2010 07:45:29 PM
- 839 Views
We don't know the magnitude of what Aes Sedai consider a significant strength difference...
20/01/2010 07:54:38 PM
- 915 Views
You are comparing Male and female strength here
20/01/2010 08:18:45 PM
- 966 Views
Why do you misquote Moiraine?
20/01/2010 08:39:55 PM
- 934 Views
Agreeing to disagree here ... we interpret the evidence differently and it's futile to argue.
20/01/2010 08:41:08 PM
- 1101 Views
Cadsuane isn't too strong
21/01/2010 04:19:41 AM
- 947 Views
Actually...
21/01/2010 05:57:43 AM
- 945 Views
Re: Actually...
21/01/2010 12:31:53 PM
- 957 Views
Re: I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory...
20/01/2010 07:43:28 PM
- 936 Views
Agree with both your comments...
20/01/2010 07:46:07 PM
- 932 Views
Hmm ... I think maybe BS DID know about Cyndane being stronger than Graendal ...
20/01/2010 09:20:31 PM
- 930 Views
But seriously...
21/01/2010 12:14:16 PM
- 825 Views
Re: But seriously...
21/01/2010 12:34:18 PM
- 1005 Views
Also would explain the question of why Moiraine left the angreal on the wagon instead of using it...
21/01/2010 02:30:46 PM
- 940 Views
I think it makes more sense...
21/01/2010 02:34:30 PM
- 957 Views
Lanfear would have been toast if Moiraine had the angreal, plus foreknowledge of the confrontation..
21/01/2010 02:38:57 PM
- 939 Views
In her letter to Thom
21/01/2010 02:55:32 PM
- 952 Views
That's my interpretation, also ...
21/01/2010 04:00:35 PM
- 816 Views
Nods in agreement
21/01/2010 06:24:59 PM
- 976 Views
I always figured Lanfear bargained away some power to escape the Finns
20/01/2010 07:37:31 PM
- 931 Views
Re: My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven.
20/01/2010 07:51:38 PM
- 1192 Views
That idea has also been disproven ...
20/01/2010 08:19:22 PM
- 1052 Views
I think it may be more simple than it seems.
21/01/2010 04:15:05 PM
- 1028 Views
Doesn't fit with BS's words
21/01/2010 04:27:43 PM
- 851 Views
Also ...
21/01/2010 04:32:58 PM
- 821 Views
I don't think BS words or Cyndane's comments really prove anything.
21/01/2010 04:42:59 PM
- 959 Views
BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out. *NM*
21/01/2010 04:46:48 PM
- 586 Views
Re: BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out.
21/01/2010 04:49:09 PM
- 938 Views
Well, actually
21/01/2010 04:54:17 PM
- 863 Views
Re: Well, actually
21/01/2010 05:11:10 PM
- 872 Views
The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything.
*NM*
21/01/2010 05:24:03 PM
- 608 Views

Re: The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything.
21/01/2010 06:07:09 PM
- 1203 Views

I agree
21/01/2010 06:23:34 PM
- 948 Views
Re: I agree
21/01/2010 07:59:36 PM
- 943 Views
Re: I agree
22/01/2010 07:23:37 AM
- 856 Views
Re: I agree
22/01/2010 11:11:55 AM
- 1029 Views
LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument!
22/01/2010 07:41:00 PM
- 893 Views
Re: LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument!
22/01/2010 08:05:08 PM
- 1007 Views
and you have zero evidence that Lanfear is considerably stronger than the others
22/01/2010 11:23:11 PM
- 770 Views
It's also a totally abstruse explanation, though, and therefore certainy wrong.
*NM*
22/01/2010 11:55:17 AM
- 750 Views

I think...
21/01/2010 06:46:57 PM
- 895 Views
Re: I think...
21/01/2010 06:58:49 PM
- 788 Views
You are right...
21/01/2010 07:12:47 PM
- 893 Views
Anyone who thinks she's hiding her strength is wrong
21/01/2010 08:09:42 PM
- 1164 Views
actually if one really wants to figure out what happened to Cyndane
21/01/2010 07:00:33 PM
- 1084 Views
Dumb question, but do transmigrated souls need to re-reach their full potential?
21/01/2010 06:19:57 PM
- 935 Views
It seems like they start out as powerful as they were, but I don't think it's ever been stated *NM*
21/01/2010 06:44:45 PM
- 579 Views