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Re: I agree Sidious Send a noteboard - 22/01/2010 11:11:55 AM
you misunderstand. Lanfear was known to "hide her true power" ... we know that a woman can hide part of her strength. We know that Lanfear was tricky. The theory here (Linda at 13th Dep I think put it out there) is that Lanfear may have pulled off a great ruse. She let women think she was hiding part of her true strength with such a weave but used an angreal to pull more Power than her potential allowed, with the point of women thinking she was actually stronger than she really was ... it's a total long shot IMO, but it's an explanation of Lanfear v. Cyndane strength.


It is an explanation but it's based on very tenuous facts. Lanfear was 'known' to hide her strength based on one quote early on by Moiraine, and even Moiraine suggested that it was nothing more than rumour.

Can you imagine how long Lanfear would have had to go through life with this weave on herself, hiding her ability? It strains credibility just from a practical perspective. It seems like Mesaana is quite sure of Lanfear's measured strength. I doubt many women have seen Lanfear channel her full potential and based their estimation on that. Even some of the Black Ajah say that they've measured Lanfear's strength, and it was very high.

Cyndane also directly says that Alivia is stronger than her before the Finns held her, which implies that she has truly lost strength since then.

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My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven. Shishka - 20/01/2010 05:12:58 PM 3095 Views
It was discussed Etzel - 20/01/2010 05:27:43 PM 1429 Views
Re: It was discussed Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:09:01 PM 1241 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 20/01/2010 07:15:57 PM 1141 Views
Re: Maybe... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:53:47 PM 1206 Views
Yeah, that would be a possibility! *NM* Etzel - 20/01/2010 09:01:26 PM 1135 Views
That doesn't really jive with Aran'gar though darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 09:03:35 PM 1128 Views
But... Etzel - 20/01/2010 09:11:47 PM 1103 Views
I think it's pretty obvious that pretty much any man is going to be darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 09:41:40 PM 1052 Views
The idea behind this theory is... Etzel - 21/01/2010 07:15:19 AM 1286 Views
Maybe there is a difference between male souls and female souls ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 09:35:57 PM 1168 Views
Plausible darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 09:45:21 PM 1255 Views
Actually, I didn't mean to imply that my idea of female strength is related to body size ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 10:10:48 PM 1096 Views
LOL ... I hear ya on that darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 10:17:02 PM 1198 Views
I'm so pleased this theory is false! darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 05:00:06 PM 1029 Views
people didn't like it when I proposed it kcf - 20/01/2010 05:31:18 PM 1473 Views
Thanks. Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:36:58 PM 1265 Views
I don't like the idea that she was healed by a woman Skeeve the Great - 20/01/2010 05:48:19 PM 1207 Views
I agree, and it seems unlikely that a new "better" method darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 06:07:04 PM 1139 Views
It's NOT due to Stilling or Healing and it's NOT due to Cyndane's weaker body... Shannow - 20/01/2010 06:46:08 PM 1254 Views
I think Moiraine's gaining strength seems a little too LotR. darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 06:55:34 PM 1201 Views
I think Moraine gaining strength is VERY LotR. That's why I think RJ went with it... *NM* Shannow - 20/01/2010 06:57:39 PM 673 Views
yet he moved away from LotR very early in the series *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 06:59:05 PM 638 Views
I also like that theory Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:14:20 PM 1170 Views
I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:17:59 PM 1174 Views
Yes perhaps Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:25:06 PM 1179 Views
Cadsuane is considerably stronger than Moiraine darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 07:31:42 PM 1167 Views
Nope... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:38:55 PM 1169 Views
I disagree as usual darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 07:45:29 PM 1088 Views
We don't know the magnitude of what Aes Sedai consider a significant strength difference... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:54:38 PM 1163 Views
You are comparing Male and female strength here darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 08:18:45 PM 1212 Views
Why do you misquote Moiraine? Shannow - 20/01/2010 08:39:55 PM 1163 Views
Agreeing to disagree here ... we interpret the evidence differently and it's futile to argue. darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 08:41:08 PM 1351 Views
Cadsuane isn't too strong Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:19:41 AM 1153 Views
Actually... fionwe1987 - 21/01/2010 05:57:43 AM 1152 Views
Re: Actually... Sidious - 21/01/2010 12:31:53 PM 1169 Views
Sorry, that was the Glossary... fionwe1987 - 21/01/2010 08:07:56 PM 1042 Views
Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:05:23 AM 1223 Views
So Glossary or character? fionwe1987 - 22/01/2010 10:22:15 PM 927 Views
Re: Actually... The_Archer - 12/12/2010 04:42:22 PM 1178 Views
Re: I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:43:28 PM 1170 Views
Agree with both your comments... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:46:07 PM 1178 Views
Re: Agree with both your comments... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:24:16 PM 1204 Views
Hmm ... I think maybe BS DID know about Cyndane being stronger than Graendal ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 09:20:31 PM 1168 Views
But seriously... Etzel - 21/01/2010 12:14:16 PM 1072 Views
Re: But seriously... Sidious - 21/01/2010 12:34:18 PM 1250 Views
I don't think it has to be so unique... Etzel - 21/01/2010 01:13:00 PM 1217 Views
Re: I don't think it has to be so unique... Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:49:42 PM 1222 Views
Also would explain the question of why Moiraine left the angreal on the wagon instead of using it... Shannow - 21/01/2010 02:30:46 PM 1364 Views
I think it makes more sense... Etzel - 21/01/2010 02:34:30 PM 1160 Views
Lanfear would have been toast if Moiraine had the angreal, plus foreknowledge of the confrontation.. Shannow - 21/01/2010 02:38:57 PM 1167 Views
In her letter to Thom Etzel - 21/01/2010 02:55:32 PM 1186 Views
One other tiny thing Sareitha Sedai - 21/01/2010 03:18:03 PM 1092 Views
Yes, and that is often overlooked Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:48:08 PM 1079 Views
That's my interpretation, also ... Shishka - 21/01/2010 04:00:35 PM 1070 Views
Nods in agreement darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 06:24:59 PM 1207 Views
I think the "bubble of hope" was simply ... Shishka - 21/01/2010 07:08:44 PM 996 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 11:38:43 PM 643 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:43:53 PM 1236 Views
I always figured Lanfear bargained away some power to escape the Finns beetnemesis - 20/01/2010 07:37:31 PM 1182 Views
But... Etzel - 20/01/2010 07:50:14 PM 1173 Views
Re: My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven. callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 07:51:38 PM 1431 Views
That idea has also been disproven ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:19:22 PM 1302 Views
Agreed... Etzel - 20/01/2010 08:36:47 PM 1043 Views
Yeah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:43:24 PM 1175 Views
The closest I ever saw was the "Lightfriend/Purple Ajah" theory darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 08:46:20 PM 1413 Views
Yeah, the Verin revelation was cool... Etzel - 20/01/2010 08:48:53 PM 1140 Views
Re: That idea has also been disproven ... callandor1000 - 21/01/2010 05:12:45 PM 1106 Views
I think it may be more simple than it seems. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:15:05 PM 1220 Views
Doesn't fit with BS's words Etzel - 21/01/2010 04:27:43 PM 1067 Views
Also ... Shishka - 21/01/2010 04:32:58 PM 1031 Views
I don't think BS words or Cyndane's comments really prove anything. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:42:59 PM 1180 Views
BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out. *NM* Etzel - 21/01/2010 04:46:48 PM 690 Views
Re: BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:49:09 PM 1133 Views
Well, actually Etzel - 21/01/2010 04:54:17 PM 1059 Views
Re: Well, actually RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 05:11:10 PM 1099 Views
The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything. *NM* Etzel - 21/01/2010 05:24:03 PM 734 Views
Re: The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1416 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 06:23:34 PM 1158 Views
Re: I agree Sidious - 21/01/2010 07:59:36 PM 1161 Views
Re: I agree darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:23:37 AM 1078 Views
Re: I agree Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:11:55 AM 1257 Views
LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument! darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:41:00 PM 1112 Views
Re: LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument! Sidious - 22/01/2010 08:05:08 PM 1240 Views
and you have zero evidence that Lanfear is considerably stronger than the others darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 11:23:11 PM 980 Views
It's also a totally abstruse explanation, though, and therefore certainy wrong. *NM* Etzel - 22/01/2010 11:55:17 AM 969 Views
I think... Etzel - 21/01/2010 06:46:57 PM 1086 Views
Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 06:58:49 PM 1003 Views
You are right... Etzel - 21/01/2010 07:12:47 PM 1126 Views
Re: You are right... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 07:21:00 PM 1208 Views
Anyone who thinks she's hiding her strength is wrong Sidious - 21/01/2010 08:09:42 PM 1358 Views
Indeed, it's pretty idiotic. *NM* Etzel - 21/01/2010 08:19:53 PM 595 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 21/01/2010 08:51:08 PM 1140 Views
Re: Dude... Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:14:08 AM 1179 Views
Re: Dude... fionwe1987 - 22/01/2010 10:21:15 PM 1339 Views
Meh RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 11:19:16 PM 1008 Views
Re: Meh Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:15:20 AM 1166 Views
Re: Meh RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/01/2010 03:09:10 PM 1092 Views
Re: Meh Sidious - 22/01/2010 04:15:51 PM 1144 Views
actually if one really wants to figure out what happened to Cyndane darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 07:00:33 PM 1300 Views
Dumb question, but do transmigrated souls need to re-reach their full potential? Gher - 21/01/2010 06:19:57 PM 1153 Views
It seems like they start out as powerful as they were, but I don't think it's ever been stated *NM* darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 06:44:45 PM 704 Views
Agreed. *NM* Shishka - 21/01/2010 07:03:13 PM 615 Views
That's what I thought. *NM* Gher - 21/01/2010 10:05:38 PM 614 Views
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