Also would explain the question of why Moiraine left the angreal on the wagon instead of using it...
Shannow Send a noteboard - 21/01/2010 02:30:46 PM
2. I don't believe the Finns transferred the power from Lanfear to Moiraine. I believe it had something to do with both of them channeling through the same angreal when they went through the doorway.
Have we any clue that such a exchange in the theoretical OP strength between two channelers could happen?
I mean, we know that channelers can in the worst case burn out, if they mess with *angreal. Therefore I can buy that maybe Moiraine burned out and Lanfear was at least temporarily unable to channel, as a side-effect of falling with another channeler through a melting ter'angreal while both were using an angreal. It also makes sense that Moiraine actually wanted to achieve that, because otherwise Lanfear could likely simply return to Randland and attack Rand again.
But it seems pretty crazy to me that this incident could somehow lead to Lanfear (why not Moiraine?) losing an - apparently completely random - amount of her possible OP strength and Moiraine (why not Lanfear?) gaining this potential, especially since according to BS the OP strength is tied to the respective body of a channeler (or do you think that Lanfear and Moiraine changed bodies?). That such a thing could happen and would even have an important plot relevance seems like a complete deus ex machina explanation.
Another problem is then the question, how the Finn can hold Moiraine, if she is such a strong channeler now (though I suppose one could also explain it with some super ter'angreal they have).
Finally, in her last PoV in TFoH, ch.53, Moiraine suppresses "a small bubble of hope", before she attacks Lanfear. As we learn from her letter in KoD, Moiraine definitely knew that she would survive this, but would be captured by the Finn with the good possibility that Thom & Co. will successfully rescue her. Therefore I think the small bubble of hope Moiraine suppresses most likely means that she hopes against all odds that she won't burn out, though she is very certain that this will happen.
Well clearly what happened to Lanfear is a unique thing, because all of the Forsaken discount Cyndane being Lanfear based on her OP strength. We also know that Forsaken were occasionally resurrected in the War of Power, so a reduction in strength is unheard of. IMO two women falling through a ter'angreal while holding saidar could yield a wierd result.
Why did Moiraine arrange for Lanfear to get the angreal? Surely if she had USED the angreal herself, instead, then Moiraine with an angreal, plus Aviendha plus Egwene plus Rand with his angreal would have been more than powerful enough to defeat Lanfear on her own.
Instead, Moiraine had a purpose for the angreal, which involved Lanfear using it. It is a purpose beyond just getting Lanfear to climb onto the wagon, because if Moiraine on her own could balefire Be'lal, then Moiraine with that angreal could have easily balefired Lanfear. Especially if Moiraine was expecting the confrontation at the Docks.
No, I think Moiraine knew Lanfear had to have the angreal, in order for OTHER benefits to take place, BEYOND the doorway. Benefits like the exchange of power if they both channeled through the angreal as they went through.
I think this is part of what Moiraine learned in her viewings of the future. Because otherwise there is no conceivable reason why Moiraine would let Lanfear get access to the angreal, rather than using it herself to aid Rand in the battle.
My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven.
- 20/01/2010 05:12:58 PM
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It was discussed
- 20/01/2010 05:27:43 PM
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Re: It was discussed
- 20/01/2010 07:09:01 PM
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Maybe...
- 20/01/2010 07:15:57 PM
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Re: Maybe...
- 20/01/2010 08:53:47 PM
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That doesn't really jive with Aran'gar though
- 20/01/2010 09:03:35 PM
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But...
- 20/01/2010 09:11:47 PM
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I think it's pretty obvious that pretty much any man is going to be
- 20/01/2010 09:41:40 PM
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Maybe there is a difference between male souls and female souls ...
- 20/01/2010 09:35:57 PM
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Plausible
- 20/01/2010 09:45:21 PM
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Actually, I didn't mean to imply that my idea of female strength is related to body size ...
- 20/01/2010 10:10:48 PM
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It's NOT due to Stilling or Healing and it's NOT due to Cyndane's weaker body...
- 20/01/2010 06:46:08 PM
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I think Moiraine's gaining strength seems a little too LotR.
- 20/01/2010 06:55:34 PM
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I think Moraine gaining strength is VERY LotR. That's why I think RJ went with it... *NM*
- 20/01/2010 06:57:39 PM
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I also like that theory
- 20/01/2010 07:14:20 PM
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I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory...
- 20/01/2010 07:17:59 PM
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Cadsuane is considerably stronger than Moiraine
- 20/01/2010 07:31:42 PM
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Nope...
- 20/01/2010 07:38:55 PM
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I disagree as usual
- 20/01/2010 07:45:29 PM
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We don't know the magnitude of what Aes Sedai consider a significant strength difference...
- 20/01/2010 07:54:38 PM
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You are comparing Male and female strength here
- 20/01/2010 08:18:45 PM
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Why do you misquote Moiraine?
- 20/01/2010 08:39:55 PM
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Agreeing to disagree here ... we interpret the evidence differently and it's futile to argue.
- 20/01/2010 08:41:08 PM
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Cadsuane isn't too strong
- 21/01/2010 04:19:41 AM
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Actually...
- 21/01/2010 05:57:43 AM
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Re: Actually...
- 21/01/2010 12:31:53 PM
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Re: I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory...
- 20/01/2010 07:43:28 PM
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Agree with both your comments...
- 20/01/2010 07:46:07 PM
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Hmm ... I think maybe BS DID know about Cyndane being stronger than Graendal ...
- 20/01/2010 09:20:31 PM
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But seriously...
- 21/01/2010 12:14:16 PM
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- 21/01/2010 12:34:18 PM
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Also would explain the question of why Moiraine left the angreal on the wagon instead of using it...
- 21/01/2010 02:30:46 PM
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I think it makes more sense...
- 21/01/2010 02:34:30 PM
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Lanfear would have been toast if Moiraine had the angreal, plus foreknowledge of the confrontation..
- 21/01/2010 02:38:57 PM
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In her letter to Thom
- 21/01/2010 02:55:32 PM
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That's my interpretation, also ...
- 21/01/2010 04:00:35 PM
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Nods in agreement
- 21/01/2010 06:24:59 PM
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I always figured Lanfear bargained away some power to escape the Finns
- 20/01/2010 07:37:31 PM
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Re: My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven.
- 20/01/2010 07:51:38 PM
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That idea has also been disproven ...
- 20/01/2010 08:19:22 PM
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I think it may be more simple than it seems.
- 21/01/2010 04:15:05 PM
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Doesn't fit with BS's words
- 21/01/2010 04:27:43 PM
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Also ...
- 21/01/2010 04:32:58 PM
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I don't think BS words or Cyndane's comments really prove anything.
- 21/01/2010 04:42:59 PM
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BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out. *NM*
- 21/01/2010 04:46:48 PM
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Re: BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out.
- 21/01/2010 04:49:09 PM
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Well, actually
- 21/01/2010 04:54:17 PM
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Re: Well, actually
- 21/01/2010 05:11:10 PM
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The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything.
*NM*
- 21/01/2010 05:24:03 PM
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*NM*
- 21/01/2010 05:24:03 PM
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Re: The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything.
- 21/01/2010 06:07:09 PM
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- 21/01/2010 06:07:09 PM
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I agree
- 21/01/2010 06:23:34 PM
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Re: I agree
- 21/01/2010 07:59:36 PM
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Re: I agree
- 22/01/2010 07:23:37 AM
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Re: I agree
- 22/01/2010 11:11:55 AM
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LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument!
- 22/01/2010 07:41:00 PM
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Re: LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument!
- 22/01/2010 08:05:08 PM
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and you have zero evidence that Lanfear is considerably stronger than the others
- 22/01/2010 11:23:11 PM
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It's also a totally abstruse explanation, though, and therefore certainy wrong.
*NM*
- 22/01/2010 11:55:17 AM
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*NM*
- 22/01/2010 11:55:17 AM
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I think...
- 21/01/2010 06:46:57 PM
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Re: I think...
- 21/01/2010 06:58:49 PM
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You are right...
- 21/01/2010 07:12:47 PM
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Anyone who thinks she's hiding her strength is wrong
- 21/01/2010 08:09:42 PM
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actually if one really wants to figure out what happened to Cyndane
- 21/01/2010 07:00:33 PM
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Dumb question, but do transmigrated souls need to re-reach their full potential?
- 21/01/2010 06:19:57 PM
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It seems like they start out as powerful as they were, but I don't think it's ever been stated *NM*
- 21/01/2010 06:44:45 PM
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