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Nods in agreement darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 21/01/2010 06:24:59 PM
Moiraine tells that "events must play out in certain ways, whatever the costs."
Apparently Moiraine saw that this attack is, what she has to do.


In her letter to Rand, Mo said she saw (on her trip to Rhuidean, which she didnt' tell Rand, but which we know) 3 possible outcomes at the docks:

1. Rand's death.
2. Rand becoming Lanfear's lover.
3. What actually ended up happening.

We don't know how many different scenarios lead to #1 or #2, but I would say it's safe to assume that Mo deciding to use the angreal, rather than setting it up for Lanfear to use, likely did. Otherwise, she would have chosen that option, obviously.

The bottom line is, of all the possible scenarios Mo foresaw with respect to her actions at the docks, #3 was the best result for Rand, not necessarily for her. There is no reason for us to think that she saw anything beneficial to herself in #3 (like becoming stronger), other than what we know already - she saw the possibility of surviving the ordeal, as she explained in her note to Thom.


The "bubble of hope" could simply have been her knowing she was taking a major player out of Rands way
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My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven. Shishka - 20/01/2010 05:12:58 PM 2941 Views
It was discussed Etzel - 20/01/2010 05:27:43 PM 1264 Views
Re: It was discussed Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:09:01 PM 1056 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 20/01/2010 07:15:57 PM 980 Views
Re: Maybe... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:53:47 PM 1041 Views
Yeah, that would be a possibility! *NM* Etzel - 20/01/2010 09:01:26 PM 965 Views
That doesn't really jive with Aran'gar though darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 09:03:35 PM 982 Views
But... Etzel - 20/01/2010 09:11:47 PM 953 Views
I think it's pretty obvious that pretty much any man is going to be darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 09:41:40 PM 901 Views
The idea behind this theory is... Etzel - 21/01/2010 07:15:19 AM 1111 Views
Maybe there is a difference between male souls and female souls ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 09:35:57 PM 988 Views
Plausible darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 09:45:21 PM 1088 Views
Actually, I didn't mean to imply that my idea of female strength is related to body size ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 10:10:48 PM 953 Views
LOL ... I hear ya on that darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 10:17:02 PM 1015 Views
I'm so pleased this theory is false! darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 05:00:06 PM 873 Views
people didn't like it when I proposed it kcf - 20/01/2010 05:31:18 PM 1265 Views
Thanks. Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:36:58 PM 1103 Views
I don't like the idea that she was healed by a woman Skeeve the Great - 20/01/2010 05:48:19 PM 1041 Views
I agree, and it seems unlikely that a new "better" method darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 06:07:04 PM 952 Views
It's NOT due to Stilling or Healing and it's NOT due to Cyndane's weaker body... Shannow - 20/01/2010 06:46:08 PM 1089 Views
I think Moiraine's gaining strength seems a little too LotR. darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 06:55:34 PM 1021 Views
I think Moraine gaining strength is VERY LotR. That's why I think RJ went with it... *NM* Shannow - 20/01/2010 06:57:39 PM 592 Views
yet he moved away from LotR very early in the series *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 06:59:05 PM 554 Views
I also like that theory Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:14:20 PM 1010 Views
I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:17:59 PM 997 Views
Yes perhaps Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:25:06 PM 1012 Views
Cadsuane is considerably stronger than Moiraine darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 07:31:42 PM 1008 Views
Nope... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:38:55 PM 982 Views
I disagree as usual darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 07:45:29 PM 901 Views
We don't know the magnitude of what Aes Sedai consider a significant strength difference... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:54:38 PM 977 Views
You are comparing Male and female strength here darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 08:18:45 PM 1026 Views
Why do you misquote Moiraine? Shannow - 20/01/2010 08:39:55 PM 999 Views
Agreeing to disagree here ... we interpret the evidence differently and it's futile to argue. darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 08:41:08 PM 1161 Views
Cadsuane isn't too strong Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:19:41 AM 995 Views
Actually... fionwe1987 - 21/01/2010 05:57:43 AM 989 Views
Re: Actually... Sidious - 21/01/2010 12:31:53 PM 1006 Views
Sorry, that was the Glossary... fionwe1987 - 21/01/2010 08:07:56 PM 885 Views
Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:05:23 AM 1056 Views
So Glossary or character? fionwe1987 - 22/01/2010 10:22:15 PM 764 Views
Re: Actually... The_Archer - 12/12/2010 04:42:22 PM 1006 Views
Re: I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:43:28 PM 1001 Views
Agree with both your comments... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:46:07 PM 1001 Views
Re: Agree with both your comments... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:24:16 PM 1037 Views
Hmm ... I think maybe BS DID know about Cyndane being stronger than Graendal ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 09:20:31 PM 978 Views
But seriously... Etzel - 21/01/2010 12:14:16 PM 885 Views
Re: But seriously... Sidious - 21/01/2010 12:34:18 PM 1067 Views
I don't think it has to be so unique... Etzel - 21/01/2010 01:13:00 PM 1014 Views
Re: I don't think it has to be so unique... Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:49:42 PM 1010 Views
Also would explain the question of why Moiraine left the angreal on the wagon instead of using it... Shannow - 21/01/2010 02:30:46 PM 1006 Views
I think it makes more sense... Etzel - 21/01/2010 02:34:30 PM 1012 Views
Lanfear would have been toast if Moiraine had the angreal, plus foreknowledge of the confrontation.. Shannow - 21/01/2010 02:38:57 PM 997 Views
In her letter to Thom Etzel - 21/01/2010 02:55:32 PM 1009 Views
One other tiny thing Sareitha Sedai - 21/01/2010 03:18:03 PM 944 Views
Yes, and that is often overlooked Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:48:08 PM 895 Views
That's my interpretation, also ... Shishka - 21/01/2010 04:00:35 PM 882 Views
Nods in agreement darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 06:24:59 PM 1034 Views
I think the "bubble of hope" was simply ... Shishka - 21/01/2010 07:08:44 PM 821 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 11:38:43 PM 565 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:43:53 PM 1066 Views
I always figured Lanfear bargained away some power to escape the Finns beetnemesis - 20/01/2010 07:37:31 PM 996 Views
But... Etzel - 20/01/2010 07:50:14 PM 1031 Views
Re: My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven. callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 07:51:38 PM 1256 Views
That idea has also been disproven ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:19:22 PM 1112 Views
Agreed... Etzel - 20/01/2010 08:36:47 PM 877 Views
Yeah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:43:24 PM 1019 Views
The closest I ever saw was the "Lightfriend/Purple Ajah" theory darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 08:46:20 PM 1254 Views
Yeah, the Verin revelation was cool... Etzel - 20/01/2010 08:48:53 PM 977 Views
Re: That idea has also been disproven ... callandor1000 - 21/01/2010 05:12:45 PM 948 Views
I think it may be more simple than it seems. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:15:05 PM 1077 Views
Doesn't fit with BS's words Etzel - 21/01/2010 04:27:43 PM 910 Views
Also ... Shishka - 21/01/2010 04:32:58 PM 881 Views
I don't think BS words or Cyndane's comments really prove anything. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:42:59 PM 1016 Views
BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out. *NM* Etzel - 21/01/2010 04:46:48 PM 613 Views
Re: BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:49:09 PM 990 Views
Well, actually Etzel - 21/01/2010 04:54:17 PM 908 Views
Re: Well, actually RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 05:11:10 PM 918 Views
The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything. *NM* Etzel - 21/01/2010 05:24:03 PM 638 Views
Re: The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1252 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 06:23:34 PM 1001 Views
Re: I agree Sidious - 21/01/2010 07:59:36 PM 995 Views
Re: I agree darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:23:37 AM 905 Views
Re: I agree Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:11:55 AM 1073 Views
LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument! darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:41:00 PM 941 Views
Re: LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument! Sidious - 22/01/2010 08:05:08 PM 1061 Views
and you have zero evidence that Lanfear is considerably stronger than the others darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 11:23:11 PM 820 Views
It's also a totally abstruse explanation, though, and therefore certainy wrong. *NM* Etzel - 22/01/2010 11:55:17 AM 797 Views
I think... Etzel - 21/01/2010 06:46:57 PM 948 Views
Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 06:58:49 PM 844 Views
You are right... Etzel - 21/01/2010 07:12:47 PM 944 Views
Re: You are right... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 07:21:00 PM 1045 Views
Anyone who thinks she's hiding her strength is wrong Sidious - 21/01/2010 08:09:42 PM 1209 Views
Indeed, it's pretty idiotic. *NM* Etzel - 21/01/2010 08:19:53 PM 512 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 21/01/2010 08:51:08 PM 983 Views
Re: Dude... Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:14:08 AM 1024 Views
Re: Dude... fionwe1987 - 22/01/2010 10:21:15 PM 1146 Views
Meh RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 11:19:16 PM 846 Views
Re: Meh Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:15:20 AM 989 Views
Re: Meh RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/01/2010 03:09:10 PM 932 Views
Re: Meh Sidious - 22/01/2010 04:15:51 PM 954 Views
actually if one really wants to figure out what happened to Cyndane darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 07:00:33 PM 1137 Views
Dumb question, but do transmigrated souls need to re-reach their full potential? Gher - 21/01/2010 06:19:57 PM 986 Views
It seems like they start out as powerful as they were, but I don't think it's ever been stated *NM* darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 06:44:45 PM 618 Views
Agreed. *NM* Shishka - 21/01/2010 07:03:13 PM 528 Views
That's what I thought. *NM* Gher - 21/01/2010 10:05:38 PM 548 Views
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