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Re: LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument! Sidious Send a noteboard - 22/01/2010 08:05:08 PM

Says the guy who falls back on "Bonfire and Candles" ... now that one of her quotes refutes what you think it's "one quote early on by Moiraine"

To be honest I don't put a lot of stock in the theory either... just brought it up as a side note. In fact I don't put a lot of stock in Moiraine quotes from anything prior to TSR ... she was wrong far too often


I didn't say it was untrue - I'm saying you should actually look at the quote. It even goes something along the lines of 'some say she hid her true strength'. It's vague even when Moiraine says it.

In truth I think Lanfear did hide her strength most of the time by hiding her potential. Coupled with the fact that I think she is considerably stronger than all of the female Forsaken, I think most men and women underestimated her strength and were overwhelmed and killed.

well actually all they really have to do is tie off an inverted weave and never think about it again. And Mesaana is ever so credible

She thinks she can match Semirhage, and will be delivering an army of AS to the DO too...


*sigh* This is the sort of thing I'm talking about. Cyndane is the one channeler who's reduction in strength is reinforced to the point that it irritates us to be reminded of it again. What more do you need?

That doesn't tell us a whole lot, only that Cyndane lost some power (which we know), could have been through the loss of an angreal, which she immediately assumes Alivia is holding.


Because no woman can have a natural strength like Alivia threw at her. Channelers don't consider themselves reduced in strength when they lose their angreal or sa'angreal. Get a grip, man.
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My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven. Shishka - 20/01/2010 05:12:58 PM 3001 Views
It was discussed Etzel - 20/01/2010 05:27:43 PM 1332 Views
Re: It was discussed Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:09:01 PM 1133 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 20/01/2010 07:15:57 PM 1047 Views
Re: Maybe... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:53:47 PM 1096 Views
Yeah, that would be a possibility! *NM* Etzel - 20/01/2010 09:01:26 PM 1028 Views
That doesn't really jive with Aran'gar though darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 09:03:35 PM 1039 Views
But... Etzel - 20/01/2010 09:11:47 PM 1008 Views
I think it's pretty obvious that pretty much any man is going to be darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 09:41:40 PM 963 Views
The idea behind this theory is... Etzel - 21/01/2010 07:15:19 AM 1183 Views
Maybe there is a difference between male souls and female souls ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 09:35:57 PM 1054 Views
Plausible darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 09:45:21 PM 1152 Views
Actually, I didn't mean to imply that my idea of female strength is related to body size ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 10:10:48 PM 1004 Views
LOL ... I hear ya on that darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 10:17:02 PM 1096 Views
I'm so pleased this theory is false! darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 05:00:06 PM 949 Views
people didn't like it when I proposed it kcf - 20/01/2010 05:31:18 PM 1364 Views
Thanks. Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:36:58 PM 1166 Views
I don't like the idea that she was healed by a woman Skeeve the Great - 20/01/2010 05:48:19 PM 1116 Views
I agree, and it seems unlikely that a new "better" method darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 06:07:04 PM 1033 Views
It's NOT due to Stilling or Healing and it's NOT due to Cyndane's weaker body... Shannow - 20/01/2010 06:46:08 PM 1157 Views
I think Moiraine's gaining strength seems a little too LotR. darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 06:55:34 PM 1097 Views
I think Moraine gaining strength is VERY LotR. That's why I think RJ went with it... *NM* Shannow - 20/01/2010 06:57:39 PM 619 Views
yet he moved away from LotR very early in the series *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 06:59:05 PM 580 Views
I also like that theory Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:14:20 PM 1076 Views
I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:17:59 PM 1077 Views
Yes perhaps Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:25:06 PM 1070 Views
Cadsuane is considerably stronger than Moiraine darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 07:31:42 PM 1077 Views
Nope... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:38:55 PM 1065 Views
I disagree as usual darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 07:45:29 PM 989 Views
We don't know the magnitude of what Aes Sedai consider a significant strength difference... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:54:38 PM 1045 Views
You are comparing Male and female strength here darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 08:18:45 PM 1103 Views
Why do you misquote Moiraine? Shannow - 20/01/2010 08:39:55 PM 1057 Views
Agreeing to disagree here ... we interpret the evidence differently and it's futile to argue. darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 08:41:08 PM 1250 Views
Cadsuane isn't too strong Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:19:41 AM 1066 Views
Actually... fionwe1987 - 21/01/2010 05:57:43 AM 1060 Views
Re: Actually... Sidious - 21/01/2010 12:31:53 PM 1077 Views
Sorry, that was the Glossary... fionwe1987 - 21/01/2010 08:07:56 PM 937 Views
Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:05:23 AM 1123 Views
So Glossary or character? fionwe1987 - 22/01/2010 10:22:15 PM 836 Views
Re: Actually... The_Archer - 12/12/2010 04:42:22 PM 1081 Views
Re: I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:43:28 PM 1065 Views
Agree with both your comments... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:46:07 PM 1080 Views
Re: Agree with both your comments... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:24:16 PM 1089 Views
Hmm ... I think maybe BS DID know about Cyndane being stronger than Graendal ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 09:20:31 PM 1047 Views
But seriously... Etzel - 21/01/2010 12:14:16 PM 958 Views
Re: But seriously... Sidious - 21/01/2010 12:34:18 PM 1144 Views
I don't think it has to be so unique... Etzel - 21/01/2010 01:13:00 PM 1090 Views
Re: I don't think it has to be so unique... Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:49:42 PM 1107 Views
Also would explain the question of why Moiraine left the angreal on the wagon instead of using it... Shannow - 21/01/2010 02:30:46 PM 1130 Views
I think it makes more sense... Etzel - 21/01/2010 02:34:30 PM 1069 Views
Lanfear would have been toast if Moiraine had the angreal, plus foreknowledge of the confrontation.. Shannow - 21/01/2010 02:38:57 PM 1064 Views
In her letter to Thom Etzel - 21/01/2010 02:55:32 PM 1079 Views
One other tiny thing Sareitha Sedai - 21/01/2010 03:18:03 PM 1000 Views
Yes, and that is often overlooked Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:48:08 PM 975 Views
That's my interpretation, also ... Shishka - 21/01/2010 04:00:35 PM 956 Views
Nods in agreement darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 06:24:59 PM 1102 Views
I think the "bubble of hope" was simply ... Shishka - 21/01/2010 07:08:44 PM 895 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 11:38:43 PM 588 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:43:53 PM 1138 Views
I always figured Lanfear bargained away some power to escape the Finns beetnemesis - 20/01/2010 07:37:31 PM 1081 Views
But... Etzel - 20/01/2010 07:50:14 PM 1088 Views
Re: My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven. callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 07:51:38 PM 1337 Views
That idea has also been disproven ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:19:22 PM 1188 Views
Agreed... Etzel - 20/01/2010 08:36:47 PM 938 Views
Yeah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:43:24 PM 1081 Views
The closest I ever saw was the "Lightfriend/Purple Ajah" theory darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 08:46:20 PM 1316 Views
Yeah, the Verin revelation was cool... Etzel - 20/01/2010 08:48:53 PM 1028 Views
Re: That idea has also been disproven ... callandor1000 - 21/01/2010 05:12:45 PM 1012 Views
I think it may be more simple than it seems. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:15:05 PM 1133 Views
Doesn't fit with BS's words Etzel - 21/01/2010 04:27:43 PM 977 Views
Also ... Shishka - 21/01/2010 04:32:58 PM 942 Views
I don't think BS words or Cyndane's comments really prove anything. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:42:59 PM 1087 Views
BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out. *NM* Etzel - 21/01/2010 04:46:48 PM 634 Views
Re: BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:49:09 PM 1041 Views
Well, actually Etzel - 21/01/2010 04:54:17 PM 969 Views
Re: Well, actually RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 05:11:10 PM 990 Views
The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything. *NM* Etzel - 21/01/2010 05:24:03 PM 673 Views
Re: The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1323 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 06:23:34 PM 1065 Views
Re: I agree Sidious - 21/01/2010 07:59:36 PM 1060 Views
Re: I agree darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:23:37 AM 973 Views
Re: I agree Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:11:55 AM 1141 Views
LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument! darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:41:00 PM 1005 Views
Re: LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument! Sidious - 22/01/2010 08:05:08 PM 1135 Views
and you have zero evidence that Lanfear is considerably stronger than the others darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 11:23:11 PM 887 Views
It's also a totally abstruse explanation, though, and therefore certainy wrong. *NM* Etzel - 22/01/2010 11:55:17 AM 854 Views
I think... Etzel - 21/01/2010 06:46:57 PM 1002 Views
Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 06:58:49 PM 912 Views
You are right... Etzel - 21/01/2010 07:12:47 PM 1021 Views
Re: You are right... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 07:21:00 PM 1119 Views
Anyone who thinks she's hiding her strength is wrong Sidious - 21/01/2010 08:09:42 PM 1259 Views
Indeed, it's pretty idiotic. *NM* Etzel - 21/01/2010 08:19:53 PM 537 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 21/01/2010 08:51:08 PM 1043 Views
Re: Dude... Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:14:08 AM 1090 Views
Re: Dude... fionwe1987 - 22/01/2010 10:21:15 PM 1214 Views
Meh RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 11:19:16 PM 905 Views
Re: Meh Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:15:20 AM 1069 Views
Re: Meh RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/01/2010 03:09:10 PM 991 Views
Re: Meh Sidious - 22/01/2010 04:15:51 PM 1024 Views
actually if one really wants to figure out what happened to Cyndane darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 07:00:33 PM 1205 Views
Dumb question, but do transmigrated souls need to re-reach their full potential? Gher - 21/01/2010 06:19:57 PM 1039 Views
It seems like they start out as powerful as they were, but I don't think it's ever been stated *NM* darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 06:44:45 PM 644 Views
Agreed. *NM* Shishka - 21/01/2010 07:03:13 PM 557 Views
That's what I thought. *NM* Gher - 21/01/2010 10:05:38 PM 572 Views
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