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Couple of flaws in that reasoning Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 02/02/2010 07:56:35 AM
- Rand was a fair distance from Natrin's Barrow. And I just don't see Graendal weaving a massive inverted ward around the place, as that would take more of the power than she has. I DEFINITELY don't see her strolling around the perimeter placing wards, she's far to decadent for that. Also, the gateway which Rand opened was NOT in sight of Graendal's palace.

- Compulsion that disappears on delving has never been seen or heard of in the series. It's pure speculation at best.

- Ramshalan had no idea what Rand intended. At best, he thought Rand was dropping him off around the place to secure support for the throne: "It is the first of many places I will send you... seek those who rule the keep. See if they are willing to support me." Rand acknowledges that Graendal will see through this, but will probably believe part of it at least. There's simply nothing prior to send Ramshalan off that indicates Rand's plan to use the CK + BF.

- If Graendal DID sense the gateway opening, she would have just left instantly. She's the kind of person that either feels safe or unsafe; what was to stop Rand from instantly Balefiring the place, or entering it himself with a bunch of AS?
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one of the reasons I'm at a loss with her death ... along with the lead-up being clumsy *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 09:36:29 PM 887 Views
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Exactly how I feel ... to the letter! *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 11:17:57 PM 746 Views
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Moghedien? Really? fionwe1987 - 02/02/2010 07:56:33 PM 1080 Views
when was Semirhage in an a'dam? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/02/2010 08:48:27 PM 580 Views
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Re: That's still extremely faint. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 03:34:06 PM 1015 Views
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Re: Moghedien? Really? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 03:31:21 PM 1217 Views
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Well, I completely disagree, but that's another discussion. *NM* Etzel - 02/02/2010 07:07:05 PM 547 Views
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Couple of flaws in that reasoning Lord Haart - 02/02/2010 07:56:35 AM 1357 Views
Graendal already has a massive inverted ward around the palace. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 03:23:44 PM 1143 Views
Come on now.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 04:58:34 PM 1259 Views
IMO Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2010 05:58:10 PM 1055 Views
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I miss Diomedes . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 11:07:45 PM 527 Views
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... Fanatic-Templar - 03/02/2010 01:23:06 AM 1018 Views
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Your theory breaks down because of something Brandon said. Logain - 03/02/2010 03:49:58 AM 949 Views
Kind of Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 04:10:04 AM 1099 Views
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Re: Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:37:58 PM 966 Views
... Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:42:07 PM 990 Views
Re: ... darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:59:26 PM 989 Views
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Thanks *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:47:29 PM 541 Views
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